SPLIT: Speaking in Tongues (Revisited)

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I doubt the existence of speaking in tongues and I think that it is just a self fulfilling propehcy for those who claim they can do this. However, I believe that it is possible I am wrong. I know some people that claim they can speak in tongues and they take it really seriously and claim it is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which it very well may be. They get mad at me since though it is not my intent, I offend them with my denial of its existence as it implies I don’t believe them or think it’s nuts. But how am I supposed to explain that I can doubt something while still believing in the possibility I am wrong without being somewhat offensive to their beliefs? I mean, ya I think it’s crazy and all but I very well may be wrong.
 
I have never believed in Speaking in Tongues to be blabbing nonsense into the air and flailing around as these sort of people seem to think. I don’t know where the idea of speaking in tongues as such came about but, it doesn’t make any sense. I have always had the understanding that speaking in tongues is speaking in another language! I am pretty sure there are saints in the church that had the gift of tongues which meant that they could speak other languages due to the gift of the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost when the Apostles ran into the streets speaking tongues, I firmly believe that they were speaking other languages because the bible says that people in the crowd heard them speaking their own languages. So, they were probably praising God in the middle of the street in Italian and Arabic and German and English and Chinese along with the other regional languages of the people. If I traveled back in time and stood in that crowd, I might have heard Paul shouting praises in English but, the others who were speaking other foreign languages would have just sounded like babble! I might have recognized a few, maybe Peter was speaking Spanish and John was speaking Polish or something!

That makes a lot more sense than blahblahblahblahshahhahahs! You know?👍

Dear Holy Spirit, grant me the gift of tongues for Spanish please! Amen! 😉
This is exactly my reasoning for disbelief but someone gave me a very plausible counterargument that while I am free to deny, at least must acknowledge:

There is not only the gift of toungues but also the gift of interpretation. For those that claim they have the gift of interpretation, they hear the jibberish in their native language and not like they are translating. They don’t even know the person is speaking in tongues. Therefore, the Bible might be referring to this scenario which when I think about it makes more practical sense than the apostles speaking many languages. It would be much easier for it to have been jibberish and God allowed each recipient to understand it in their native tongue.
 
This is exactly my reasoning for disbelief but someone gave me a very plausible counterargument that while I am free to deny, at least must acknowledge:

There is not only the gift of toungues but also the gift of interpretation. For those that claim they have the gift of interpretation, they hear the jibberish in their native language and not like they are translating. They don’t even know the person is speaking in tongues. Therefore, the Bible might be referring to this scenario which when I think about it makes more practical sense than the apostles speaking many languages. It would be much easier for it to have been jibberish and God allowed each recipient to understand it in their native tongue.
Or a combination of the two, that they were speaking actual languages via the gift of tongues and people through the gift of interpretation heard their own. Paul could have been shouting in Romanian but I could have heard English, Maria could have heard Spanish, Pietro could have heard Italian, Lee could have heard Chinese and Sonia could have heard Arabic!😉
 
May I point out that St Gabriel in post 233 is not referring to the gift of praying in tongues or to the gift of speaking in tongues.
 
Thats funny…I suppose his mom also thinks that “snoring” is the Holy Spirit saying something–lol–
I think “Speaking in Tongues” is something I’m very uncomfortable with and never understood. I do however believe in the zeal of the Holy Spirit.
St. Gabriel (re: young girl laughing)
I am a bit skeptical. Young girls love to laugh and are more likely to laugh in group settings. Remembering some scripture is not difficult, and can not be proven to be spontaneous. I believe the Holy Spirit talks to our soul in a gentle way and encourages us to do good. To be zealous with love does not mean you have to put on a show…but rather through acts of kindness ie " Good Works". God Bless!
 
I believe the Holy Spirit talks to our soul in a gentle way and encourages us to do good. To be zealous with love does not mean you have to put on a show…but rather through acts of kindness ie " Good Works". God Bless!
Yes amen…And we also apply discernment to separate it from a
flesh answer we want to hear or the deceptive voice of the enemy…
Grace and peace to you, friend in Christ…
 
St. Gabriel (re: young girl laughing)
I am a bit skeptical. Young girls love to laugh and are more likely to laugh in group settings. Remembering some scripture is not difficult, and can not be proven to be spontaneous. I believe the Holy Spirit talks to our soul in a gentle way and encourages us to do good. To be zealous with love does not mean you have to put on a show…but rather through acts of kindness ie " Good Works". God Bless!
I did not go to the service, but the aunt who brought the girl back said that she had responded to the pastor’s invitation to be prayed with for the Holy Spirit. Apparently there were two young people at the same service who had something similar happen to them. Although I cannot tell you exactly what happened to them, because I was not at the service and that is all the information that was given to me.

I don’t think this girl was putting on a show, but I do think that she couldn’t stop laughing for some reason. (Perhaps she found the situation funny and people’s reactions as well.) Her parents looked confused as well. The aunt said that this was quite a normal reaction and that sometimes people will speak in different languages “unknown languages”. I asked whether or not there was an interpreter at these services and they said yes. Nobody could tell me whether or not people were speaking actual languages or if it was just babble. I asked the girl’s mother if she spoke in tongues and she said she “used to” but since she hasn’t been going to church, she doesn’t do it. My guess is that they include praying in tongues at their service. I really wonder about this … whether or not it’s authentic. I thought that once you have the gift of tongues you cannot lose it.

As an outsider, I did not want to interfere with the situation, but I really did not want to see/hear her laugh all night long.
 
I am sorry, but I don’t understand the purpose of someone praying or speaking in another language that they themselves cannot understand. What is the point? How can one communicate if they don’t know what they are saying? How can one teach, or worship, if they don’t know what they are saying? Does God want people to speak to Him in His own language without knowing what they are saying?

If however, they know what they are saying and speak it in another language to someone who understands that language then it makes sense to me. If they make groans when they pray because the words can’t come to them, then I can understand this.

I know that I am ignorant when it comes to this subject, I hope that no one takes offense to any of my above posts. It really puzzles me and I cannot seem to get a straight answer from anyone.
 
I did not go to the service, but the aunt who brought the girl back said that she had responded to the pastor’s invitation to be prayed with for the Holy Spirit. Apparently there were two young people at the same service who had something similar happen to them. Although I cannot tell you exactly what happened to them, because I was not at the service and that is all the information that was given to me.

I don’t think this girl was putting on a show, but I do think that she couldn’t stop laughing for some reason. (Perhaps she found the situation funny and people’s reactions as well.) Her parents looked confused as well. The aunt said that this was quite a normal reaction and that sometimes people will speak in different languages “unknown languages”. I asked whether or not there was an interpreter at these services and they said yes. Nobody could tell me whether or not people were speaking actual languages or if it was just babble. I asked the girl’s mother if she spoke in tongues and she said she “used to” but since she hasn’t been going to church, she doesn’t do it. My guess is that they include praying in tongues at their service. I really wonder about this … whether or not it’s authentic. I thought that once you have the gift of tongues you cannot lose it.

As an outsider, I did not want to interfere with the situation, but I really did not want to see/hear her laugh all night long.
Speaking as a Catholic Charismatic. The first thing to remember is that the Holy Spirit is not limited by human conventions, even charismatic ones. It is not our place to evaluate when and how the Holy Spirit touches a child’s soul. What we need to be concerned about is that the charismatic gifts are practiced in accord with the Holy Spirit’s intentions.

In an authentic Catholic environment, being prayed over for a deeper presence of the Holy Spirit is not on the same level as an altar call. This is a prayer–filled occasion usually accompanied by the community in private prayer and sometimes with soft, inspirational music. The purpose is to gain a deep personal experience of Jesus Christ which the name “Baptism of the Spirit” signifies. In a sense, this term represents a serious renewal of the graces from Sacramental Baptism. It is important that one should not confuse the two events.

Receiving the “Baptism of the Spirit” can be a life changing event. Because people can react in various ways, there are experienced Charismatics nearby who can minister to the blessed person. Most of the time, this person will have questions or will simply want to talk. Many times, this person will leave silently in prayer. Tears can happen. In a few rare instances, an unusual feeling of joy will start laughter which will embarrass a person because it seems out of the ordinary. This is when an experienced Charismatic steps in and guides the person gently into prayer or conversation.

While there can only be guesses as to why the child started laughing, it should have been attended to immediately. In my humble opinion, letting hysterical laughter get out of hand for that period of time was totally inappropriate. It certainly was a disservice to the child. It also demonstrates a lack of understanding as to the meaning of “Baptism of the Spirit” which by the way is not only connected to the Catholic Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation but recommends receiving the Catholic Sacrament of Reconciliation before seeking to be prayed over.

When an obvious abuse occurs, that is the time we should re-explain the Sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, Reconciliation, and the Holy Eucharist to our family.

Blessings,
granny

The quest for spiritual truth needs Catholicism.
 
I am sorry, but I don’t understand the purpose of someone praying or speaking in another language that they themselves cannot understand. What is the point? How can one communicate if they don’t know what they are saying? How can one teach, or worship, if they don’t know what they are saying? Does God want people to speak to Him in His own language without knowing what they are saying?

If however, they know what they are saying and speak it in another language to someone who understands that language then it makes sense to me. If they make groans when they pray because the words can’t come to them, then I can understand this.

I know that I am ignorant when it comes to this subject, I hope that no one takes offense to any of my above posts. It really puzzles me and I cannot seem to get a straight answer from anyone.
I agree with St. Gabriel; It just seems strange and odd to me. Who gives authority to or ordains these so called lay interpretors? This display reminds me of the Pharisees and how they would put on a show to let everyone know how holy they are. The whole "Baptised by the Spirit " thing has too many gray areas, and some people think thats all they have to do. If you are Catholic you are baptised with water and the mark of the Holy Spirit. You then invite the Holy Spirit into your life and the lifes of others. At our CRHP Ministry we pray to the Holy Spirit and sometimes lay hands on someone who needs prayers. No one has broken into babble and or contortions yet. I am not saying it’s not legitimate to some extent, but there is also too much room for abuse.
 
A Key to Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church** ISBN: 0-87029-033-9**

by Msgr. Vincent M. Walsh
Key of David Publications
 
I am sorry, but I don’t understand the purpose of someone praying or speaking in another language that they themselves cannot understand. What is the point? How can one communicate if they don’t know what they are saying? How can one teach, or worship, if they don’t know what they are saying? Does God want people to speak to Him in His own language without knowing what they are saying?

If however, they know what they are saying and speak it in another language to someone who understands that language then it makes sense to me. If they make groans when they pray because the words can’t come to them, then I can understand this.

I know that I am ignorant when it comes to this subject, I hope that no one takes offense to any of my above posts. It really puzzles me and I cannot seem to get a straight answer from anyone.
There is no offense when someone asks questions with the intention of learning.

First of all, there are similarities between the Pentecostal Movement and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal primarily regarding the gift of Prayer tongues. This is because the gift of Prayer tongues is a common gift available to all. I am not familiar with Prayer tongues teaching in other religions. What I am presenting is from the Catholic position.

I realize that there will be Catholics surprised by the fact that the gift of Prayer tongues is not necessarily an outward sign that someone has received the baptism of the Spirit. If it were, then this common gift would become a badge of pride. On the contrary, this gift of Praying in tongues is very humbling. To understand this gift’s purpose, let us call this gift by its rightful names, Praying in tongues or Prayer tongues. This gift is so very different from the gift of speaking in tongues.

The gift of Prayer tongues requires abject humility because we intentionally have to set aside our rational powers of memory or intellect which are used in speaking and praying. The only time that we can do that without embarrassment is when we make baby sounds with a baby. The reason that it is unimportant that anyone, including the baby, knows what we are saying is that we are using a language based on love. When we praise the baby when she crawls forward instead of rolling, does it really matter if we say “good job” or go into an explanation of which muscles accomplished the motion. Our tone of voice, the way we stress the words, and our body language all express our praise. We are using our human speech faculties, lips, tongue, and larynx to express our purpose of loving and praising.

We use the same human speech faculties, lips, tongue, and larynx when we participate at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. We sing, we pray the Our Father, we declare “amen” when we receive the True Presence of Jesus Christ under the signs of bread and wine. When it comes to private, personal prayer, we normally use the same speech faculties along with our memory or intellect.

Praying in tongues is like loving and praising God. The difference is that we do not depend on our memory or intellect to form the correct words. In our humility, we turn over our rational control of our speech faculties to the Holy Spirit. This means that we relax and quit worrying about individual words. We know we want to love and praise God and ask Him for His mercy and His help for ourselves as well as others. But instead of thinking about our words, we ask the Holy Spirit to use our speech faculties, lips, tongue and the larynx according to His will.

With the gift of Prayer tongues, we turn over our rational powers regarding human speech to the Holy Spirit. This is known as yielding to the power of the Holy Spirit Who in turn uses our lips, tongue, and larynx in sounds which He, not us, chooses. This is true humility.

Yikes! is usually the first comment from someone learning about Prayer tongues. Please note that “Praying in tongues” from the Holy Spirit is totally under the person’s control. The person absolutely has the power to decide when to Pray in tongues and when to stop. The person has the choice to Pray in tongues out loud or silently within; however, the choice of words or sounds, belongs to the Holy Spirit.

Sometimes, people wonder if the sounds are actually a personal choice rather than the Holy Spirit’s. Instead of worrying about it, the person should renew his commitment to yielding to the Holy Spirit. In practical life, a person does have a reason for Praying in tongues. It can be love, adoration, thanksgiving, petition, contrition, and so on. In yielding to the Holy Spirit, the person is asking that the Holy Spirit pray these prayers.

Caution. One should not get hung up on which is better, Praying in tongues or Praying in one’s native language. The use of Prayer tongues is up to the individual. Personally, I pray in tongues when driving in traffic because I need my mind totally focused on cars ahead, behind, and cutting in front of me. Usually, I do not have any particular intention in mind – I let the Holy Spirit do His thing. Believe me, this is better than road rage.

At this point, I am sure there are questions. Please ask.

Blessings,
granny

O Sacrament Most Holy,
O Sacrament Divine,
All praise and all thanksgiving,
be every moment Thine.
 
until I here someone explain to moe what they are speaking, saying, prayind etc. I cant that its nothing more than just jibberish.
 
Thanks Granny, that was a pretty good overall explanation…I think you almost have to experience it to really know…It just rises up deep inside…I just feel so burdened and weep and it just comes up…It’s a gift some get and understand others just think were crazy…
 
until I here someone explain to moe what they are speaking, saying, prayind etc. I cant that its nothing more than just jibberish.
I do understand where you are coming from. Tongues is so strange compared to text messaging.

Post 12 is the start of a teaching on Praying in tongues. This is not the same as Speaking in tongues. I am sure that a lot of people will be surprised that the gift of Speaking in tongues is actually rare except in certain localities. This gift requires serious preparation. I am not teaching about the gift of Speaking in tongues.

From reading Post 12, hopefully one gets the impression that Praying in tongues is considered prayer just as praying in a known language such as English or Spanish is considered prayer. In both forms, known and unknown language, we are humble before God.

The next question is – Who are we praying to? In both forms of prayer, we are praying straight to God. Does it really matter if the person in earshot understands our language?

Blessings,
granny

The human person is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.
 
Thanks grannymh and everyone for your (name removed by moderator)ut. Although I do have another question and I’ll have to give another senario.

A few times on the TV news, I have seen situations where someone in the middle east was killed. There was film footage of the person being carried and then some woman (perhaps the widows or relatives) following the corpse. These woman were crying and morning the death of the person killed and they were also making noises with their tongues. It’s hard to describe. Sort of a shriek and you could see that their tongues were flapping up and down very quickly. There were no interpretators. It just looked like they were very upset. I also saw this occur in a movie (the Nativity) when John the Baptist was born. Only in this case, the woman were very happy and excited to see the baby born.

My question is, to those who have the gift of tongues, were these woman speaking in tongues?
 
Thanks grannymh and everyone for your (name removed by moderator)ut. Although I do have another question and I’ll have to give another senario.

A few times on the TV news, I have seen situations where someone in the middle east was killed. There was film footage of the person being carried and then some woman (perhaps the widows or relatives) following the corpse. These woman were crying and morning the death of the person killed and they were also making noises with their tongues. It’s hard to describe. Sort of a shriek and you could see that their tongues were flapping up and down very quickly. There were no interpretators. It just looked like they were very upset. I also saw this occur in a movie (the Nativity) when John the Baptist was born. Only in this case, the woman were very happy and excited to see the baby born.

My question is, to those who have the gift of tongues, were these woman speaking in tongues?
That is just how they mourn…There is a name for it buy I don’t recall it…I have heard it tho…
 
Can someone please post the scripture verses which refer to the people praying/speaking in tongues in the new testiment as an unknown language or a language unknown to humans? (Acts 2:1-8) says that the people who received the Holy Spirit were speaking/understanding languages that were known to men.
And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.
And they were amazed and wondered, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
** And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language**?
 
I Cor. 14.2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
 
Can someone please post the scripture verses which refer to the people praying/speaking in tongues in the new testiment as an unknown language or a language unknown to humans? (Acts 2:1-8) says that the people who received the Holy Spirit were speaking/understanding languages that were known to men.
I’m curious if anyone has seen this as praising God in Prayer tongues while in the Upper Room. This would be before preaching to the crowd. Also, does anyone have the passage which in our area is known as “little Penticost”?

I have a request. Please do not link praying/speaking in tongues. Praying in tongues is so very different than Speaking in tongues. Thank you.
 
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