SPLIT: Term EMHC same as Eucharistic Minister

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Just a word to correct you. Only the priest is the Eucharistic Minister. The EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic ministers.
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Yes, they are of course. Extraordinary MINISTERS…

Anyway…What a wonderful predicament to be in! Isn’t it wonderful that so many people were coming to be fed?!! I would assume that the reserved was removed from the tabernacle as well.(Then that causes another problem if communion for the sick and for viaticum is needed.)

That being said…those in charge were definitely not prepared and organized. However, if it doesn’t happen often, I wouldn’t be concerned. Those who did not receive had good intention and I’m sure there was a spiritual communion.
Also, if this does happen again maybe it’s a sign that help is needed. Volunteer! …even if it’s just to do a head count before mass starts. That would be helpful in estimating the number of unconsecrated hosts that are needed.
 
Anna_Claire said:
Yes, they are of course. Extraordinary MINISTERS…

Anyway…What a wonderful predicament to be in! Isn’t it wonderful that so many people were coming to be fed?!! I would assume that the reserved was removed from the tabernacle as well.(Then that causes another problem if communion for the sick and for viaticum is needed.)

That being said…those in charge were definitely not prepared and organized. However, if it doesn’t happen often, I wouldn’t be concerned. Those who did not receive had good intention and I’m sure there was a spiritual communion.
Also, if this does happen again maybe it’s a sign that help is needed. Volunteer! …even if it’s just to do a head count before mass starts. That would be helpful in estimating the number of unconsecrated hosts that are needed.
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Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.
EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic Ministers. The Eucharistic Minister is the priest.
 
thistle said:
Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.
EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic Ministers. The Eucharistic Minister is the priest.
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Let me correct you. An ordained priest is the ordinary minister of the Eucharist. Lay people are extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist. Both ordained and non ordained can be Eucharistic ministers. I feel that I am privileged to be a Eucharistic minister, when I “minister” to my fellow parishioners and when I “minister” to the sick in the hospital. No one will ever convince me that I am not an EM.
 
Anna_Claire said:
Let me correct you. An ordained priest is the ordinary minister of the Eucharist. Lay people are extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist. Both ordained and non ordained can be Eucharistic ministers. I feel that I am privileged to be a Eucharistic minister, when I “minister” to my fellow parishioners and when I “minister” to the sick in the hospital. No one will ever convince me that I am not an EM.
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The priest and the bishop are ministers of the Eucharist. They, along with the deacon are ordinary minsters of Holy Communion. You are an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. See Redemptionis Sacramentum 154 & 155
 
Anna_Claire said:
Let me correct you. An ordained priest is the ordinary minister of the Eucharist. Lay people are extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist. Both ordained and non ordained can be Eucharistic ministers. I feel that I am privileged to be a Eucharistic minister, when I “minister” to my fellow parishioners and when I “minister” to the sick in the hospital. No one will ever convince me that I am not an EM.
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That is wrong. Only the ordained are Eucharistic Ministers. EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic Ministers.
 
We are all one in communion with Christ. Let us not forget that.

I am aware of the technical term…EMHC… Just because the hierarchy says this is what a lay minister should be called doesn’t make them right. It is totally unnecessary to use this term. Many people believe it is simply a way Rome is trying to control the laity…circle the wagons. It’s not going to work in this modern age of people who can actually reason and think. No matter what Rome wants us to be called, in popular parlance, we refer to this person as the Eucharistic Minister since this phraseology actually describes our function.

Heaven forbid if we Catholics return to our liturgical roots by understanding everyone — male and female, ordained and unordained, as a true priest of God.
 
Anna_Claire said:
We are all one in communion with Christ. Let us not forget that.

I am aware of the technical term…EMHC… Just because the hierarchy says this is what a lay minister should be called doesn’t make them right. It is totally unnecessary to use this term. Many people believe it is simply a way Rome is trying to control the laity…circle the wagons. It’s not going to work in this modern age of people who can actually reason and think. No matter what Rome wants us to be called, in popular parlance, we refer to this person as the Eucharistic Minister since this phraseology actually describes our function.

Heaven forbid if we Catholics return to our liturgical roots by understanding everyone — male and female, ordained and unordained, as a true priest of God.
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Whats wrong with simply using the term “communion minister”? Bishop, priest, and deacon being ordinary ministers of communion, and the un ordaied extraordinary. Seems quite simple to me. I too would like the “correcting” of anyone who dares to use a term even used by the clergy toward EMHC, of Eucharistic minister, to please stop. [edited]

Everyone here knows the difference, now lets get on with life [edited].😃
 
Anna_Claire said:
We are all one in communion with Christ. Let us not forget that.

I am aware of the technical term…EMHC… Just because the hierarchy says this is what a lay minister should be called doesn’t make them right. It is totally unnecessary to use this term. Many people believe it is simply a way Rome is trying to control the laity…circle the wagons. It’s not going to work in this modern age of people who can actually reason and think. No matter what Rome wants us to be called, in popular parlance, we refer to this person as the Eucharistic Minister since this phraseology actually describes our function.

Heaven forbid if we Catholics return to our liturgical roots by understanding everyone — male and female, ordained and unordained, as a true priest of God.
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What does being in communion with Christ have to do with being an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion? You, madam, seem like a very proud person, first with the demons thread, now with this. “Control the laity…” Oh, because I’m sure it knocks the socks off our priests and bishops to be able to “control” us. They just love doing that, right? Proper parlance is wrong, madam, and the phrase “Eucharistic Minister” does not describe your function. “Just because the hierarchy says…” Really? Yes, it does make them right, firstly because they say so and secondly because it really is right. I will illustrate:

Only priests and bishops are Eucharistic Ministers, because only they can confect the sacrament. Additionally, priests, bishops and deacons are also Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Instituted acolytes have primacy as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with other lay people being secondary Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with these latter two cases only being used when necessary. Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion function as such not because they have a right to, like priests, deacons and bishops do, but because that authority is delegated to them by someone else.

Would you like to know why this is? Because to minister the Eucharist means to change bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood. You and I can’t do that. To distribute His Body and/or Blood is to minister Holy Communion. You and I can, physically, do that. They are two different roles completely, therefore they have two completely different titles. Therefore, you are an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, not a Eucharistic Minister.

Heaven forbid, really forbid, that we truly understand our proper roles and what they are called, and not get needlessly insulted because our Church doesn’t warp itself into political correctness for political correctness’s sake. If you can’t turn bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood, then you aren’t a Eucharistic Minister. It’s sort of like, if you can’t perform surgery, you’re not a surgeon. Or if you can’t cut hair, you’re not a hairstylist. Or if you can’t teach kids, you’re not a school teacher. Or if you can’t sing, you’re not a singer. Or if you can’t write, you’re not a writer. Etc., etc., etc. It really comes down to that.

I feel badly that some people must be able to do everything a priest does to feel “good enough” or whatever. That’s the worst sort of clericalism there is.
 
YoungTradCath said:
What does being in communion with Christ have to do with being an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion? You, madam, seem like a very proud person, first with the demons thread, now with this. “Control the laity…” Oh, because I’m sure it knocks the socks off our priests and bishops to be able to “control” us. They just love doing that, right? Proper parlance is wrong, madam, and the phrase “Eucharistic Minister” does not describe your function. “Just because the hierarchy says…” Really? Yes, it does make them right, firstly because they say so and secondly because it really is right. I will illustrate:

Only priests and bishops are Eucharistic Ministers, because only they can confect the sacrament. Additionally, priests, bishops and deacons are also Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Instituted acolytes have primacy as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with other lay people being secondary Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with these latter two cases only being used when necessary. Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion function as such not because they have a right to, like priests, deacons and bishops do, but because that authority is delegated to them by someone else.

Would you like to know why this is? Because to minister the Eucharist means to change bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood. You and I can’t do that. To distribute His Body and/or Blood is to minister Holy Communion. You and I can, physically, do that. They are two different roles completely, therefore they have two completely different titles. Therefore, you are an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, not a Eucharistic Minister.

Heaven forbid, really forbid, that we truly understand our proper roles and what they are called, and not get needlessly insulted because our Church doesn’t warp itself into political correctness for political correctness’s sake. If you can’t turn bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood, then you aren’t a Eucharistic Minister. It’s sort of like, if you can’t perform surgery, you’re not a surgeon. Or if you can’t cut hair, you’re not a hairstylist. Or if you can’t teach kids, you’re not a school teacher. Or if you can’t sing, you’re not a singer. Or if you can’t write, you’re not a writer. Etc., etc., etc. It really comes down to that.

I feel badly that some people must be able to do everything a priest does to feel “good enough” or whatever. That’s the worst sort of clericalism there is.
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YoungTradCath said:
What does being in communion with Christ have to do with being an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion? You, madam, seem like a very proud person, first with the demons thread, now with this. “Control the laity…” Oh, because I’m sure it knocks the socks off our priests and bishops to be able to “control” us. They just love doing that, right? Proper parlance is wrong, madam, and the phrase “Eucharistic Minister” does not describe your function. “Just because the hierarchy says…” Really? Yes, it does make them right, firstly because they say so and secondly because it really is right. I will illustrate:

Only priests and bishops are Eucharistic Ministers, because only they can confect the sacrament. Additionally, priests, bishops and deacons are also Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Instituted acolytes have primacy as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with other lay people being secondary Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, with these latter two cases only being used when necessary. Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion function as such not because they have a right to, like priests, deacons and bishops do, but because that authority is delegated to them by someone else.

Would you like to know why this is? Because to minister the Eucharist means to change bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood. You and I can’t do that. To distribute His Body and/or Blood is to minister Holy Communion. You and I can, physically, do that. They are two different roles completely, therefore they have two completely different titles. Therefore, you are an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, not a Eucharistic Minister.

Heaven forbid, really forbid, that we truly understand our proper roles and what they are called, and not get needlessly insulted because our Church doesn’t warp itself into political correctness for political correctness’s sake. If you can’t turn bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood, then you aren’t a Eucharistic Minister. It’s sort of like, if you can’t perform surgery, you’re not a surgeon. Or if you can’t cut hair, you’re not a hairstylist. Or if you can’t teach kids, you’re not a school teacher. Or if you can’t sing, you’re not a singer. Or if you can’t write, you’re not a writer. Etc., etc., etc. It really comes down to that.

I feel badly that some people must be able to do everything a priest does to feel “good enough” or whatever. That’s the worst sort of clericalism there is.
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I too must say…well said!👍
 
YoungTradCatholic…don’t be so arrogant to assume I don’t understand that we all have a function in the church and that those functions can be very different. I don’t want to be a priest. I don’t want to do what a priest does at mass. I like what I am able to do.
I’m talking about how the hierarchy must feel so threatened by lay Catholics that they feel it’s necessary to make it clear that we are below them. Lay people are being made to feel like they did before Vatican II…unworthy. I will not let that happen to me again…no matter what they do.

I will sign this
Old Progressive Catholic brought up in the Pre VII Church
Been there, done that, will not go back.
 
Anna_Claire said:
YoungTradCatholic…don’t be so arrogant to assume I don’t understand that we all have a function in the church and that those functions can be very different. I don’t want to be a priest. I don’t want to do what a priest does at mass. I like what I am able to do.
I’m talking about how the hierarchy must feel so threatened by lay Catholics that they feel it’s necessary to make it clear that we are below them. Lay people are being made to feel like they did before Vatican II…unworthy. I will not let that happen to me again…no matter what they do.

I will sign this
Old Progressive Catholic brought up in the Pre VII Church
Been there, done that, will not go back.
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While I don’t believe its a huge deal to bicker over terminology such as this…

I must approach you here and suggest that possibly you’ve been looking at everything upside down.

Instead of considering it being “below”, instead, think of it as being “above”.

The triangle is upside down, and the pope is at the bottom in service to the people. He has the weight of the world’s souls on his shoulders. “above” him are the cardinals and bishops, in service to the priests. The priests in service to the lay people, with women being at the pinnacle of creation. Sacraments of holy orders available to the priests, etc because the grace is needed for such a difficult way of life.

So, using correct terminology is not about being “threatened” (which I must add is quite a judgemental term for you to use when speaking about our beloved ordained, as well as assigning such an amateurish and junior high attitude). but rather to make sure that the lay people are not pulled down to the “lower” state of service. It’s really quite beautiful.
 
Anna_Claire said:
We are all one in communion with Christ. Let us not forget that.

I am aware of the technical term…EMHC… Just because the hierarchy says this is what a lay minister should be called doesn’t make them right. .
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Actually, yes it does, or at the very least, something that we need to give obedience to.

Note what the Holy Spirit inspired in Pastor Aeternus (Vatican I)
Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world.
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So either one holds that Ecumencial Councils are a special work of the Holy Spirt, and thus a statement of God’s Will. (in which case, one has to give obedience to the ruling on the use of the terms used by the Church

Or

One believes that Ecumenical Councils are just the work of men, and, as such, anything Vatican II said can be safely ignored.

Which one do you hold to?
 
Anna_Claire said:
YoungTradCatholic…don’t be so arrogant to assume I don’t understand that we all have a function in the church and that those functions can be very different. I don’t want to be a priest. I don’t want to do what a priest does at mass. I like what I am able to do.
I’m talking about how the hierarchy must feel so threatened by lay Catholics that they feel it’s necessary to make it clear that we are below them. Lay people are being made to feel like they did before Vatican II…unworthy. I will not let that happen to me again…no matter what they do.

I will sign this
Old Progressive Catholic brought up in the Pre VII Church
Been there, done that, will not go back.
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Please help me undrstand how being called what you are is anything close to what you discribe. I am an OMHC, you are an EMHC, the priest and bishop is OMHC who are also EMs. It is what we are, why does this threaten you in any way shape or form? Please explain how the hierarchy is threatened by the laity. Can’t you see the tone and the implications about you in your retoric? You seem bitter.

PS. I as a member of the hierarchy am not threatened by you or any memeber of the laity at all…except my wife of course…😃
 
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