What are you ranting about?So if the Pope’s name isn’t mentioned it’s basically no good? Should you get smacked and killed by a bus on the way out of the Orthodox Church on Sunday you will find yourself in hell? That’s nice. Gotta love the kind of legalism that uses the power to bind and loose to send someone to eternal damnation for that.
You go to the Divine Liturgy on Sunday; the Pope is not comemmorated. You neglected to attend a liturgy where the Pope is comemmorated(under the Pope) so you’re in a state of mortal sin. You die without confessing- you go to hell. Neglecting to attend Mass is an absolute mortal sin for a Catholic because a Catholic is bound by an obligation to attend a Eucharistic service on Sunday, and apparently the Orthodox Divine Liturgy does not suffice. So basically one liturgy where Christ’s Body and Blood are made present is not as good as another, and that’s because of an imposed obligation.
A strict interpretation of the traditional rubrics about who is commemorated at the appropriate places says that the Pope would be commemorated ONLY in a Liturgy celebrated by a patriarch, as the rule is “one step up.”So if the Pope’s name isn’t mentioned it’s basically no good? Should you get smacked and killed by a bus on the way out of the Orthodox Church on Sunday you will find yourself in hell? That’s nice. Gotta love the kind of legalism that uses the power to bind and loose to send someone to eternal damnation for that.
True, basically I really was just referring to the fact that the Pope is mentioned in the Mass, and apparently if you are not subject to him, your Eucharist and Liturgy aren’t keeping the Sabbath holy enough. Not for Catholics, at least.
The Obligation is for a Catholic to attend a valid and licit Catholic liturgy, on all Sundays and Holy Days, when and where, there is a Catholic Liturgy available to them. When there is no Catholic liturgy available, they are free to attend any other Christian Worship service, as there is no longer any obligation. A valid Orthodox Liturgy where there is a valid Sacrifice and Sacrament is an option.
That is because you mind is warped to view it in some kind of legalistic rant. Consider, the problem may be with the man you see in the mirror.
Isn’t it legalistic though? No Mass= mortal sin. Aren’t mortal sins those sins which, if one dies unrepentant, damn a person? I’m not sure what part of my understanding is “warped”. Which part of what I said is incorrect?
If you look at it only from the stand point of it being a NON-Catholic liturgy.
Willingly disobey God in important matters = Mortal sin. You got it!
Disobeying God or disobeying the legaslistic obligation the Catholic Church places on its flock? “Go to a Catholic Eucharistic service on Sunday or you’ll be guilty of mortal sin for disobeying… even if it’s an Apostolic Church- if they aren’t under the Pope it doesn’t count!” I’m not denying that it may be sinful to purposely miss Divine Services on Sunday, but on what basis does the Catholic Church bind Catholics to this strict observance? Considering the statistics for attendance at Mass, on any given Sunday the mojority of Catholics throughout the world are guilty of mortal sin and bound for hell!
Eh…not exactly, the Orthodox services are valid but illicit, the Protestants don’t even have a valid service. Whereas an Orthodox Priest can Consecrate the Eucharist (though I have my doubts since the bread is leavened) Protestant “churches” and “priests” are completely invalid.
. But we do have Commandments that need to be followed for Christ himself said that those who follow him will keep his Commandments.
being Catholic is a blessing…You misunderstand us. Catholics are obliged to attend a Catholic mass or divine liturgy (not a Eucharistic service) on Sunday unless they are prevented from doing so. This has nothing to do with the pope being commemorated. We join together in unity as Church to worship God. This is an essential part of Catholic life. It cannot be replaced by attending services at another church.
Are you aware that your Eastern Catholic brothers under the Pope of ROme use leavened bread as well? Remove all doubt!Eh…not exactly, the Orthodox services are valid but illicit, the Protestants don’t even have a valid service. Whereas an Orthodox Priest can Consecrate the Eucharist (though I have my doubts since the bread is leavened) Protestant “churches” and “priests” are completely invalid.
As far as being “legalistic”, Legalism is a Chinese Philosophy that has nothing to with Christianity
That’s not legalisam. There are no Sacraments outside the Church. Legalism would be to say, "well, this guy was ordained by Bishop so-and-so who, although not a part of the Church, can trace his ordaination to two “validly” consecrated Bishops, so he has the ‘power’ to confect the Sacrament even if he does it in his clown suit with face paint on while standing on his head. "Not to add more to get upset about here, but aren’t the Eastern Orthodox even more leagalistic in some respects? I’ve read they don’t even see Catholic Communion as being valid at all. I did read here that catholics consider their sacraments valid. So, I am not sure one can be considered that much less legalistic than the other really.
Church Fathers and the Rock*Christ said He will build His Church on Peter. *
and… He did
if you visit an Orthodox church, - visiting is not a sin… we just can’t receive Communion there, cause the two churches are not in communion. Also, visiting the church can’t conflict with going to Mass, (your Sunday obligation) and this isn’t just some meaningless “rule”, the Sunday obligation exists so that you’d receive the Eucharist every week… isn’t that a great gift?
if you like Eastern liturgy, you can go to an Eastern Catholic church and even receive the Eucharist there.
who said anything about going to hell for visiting an Orthodox church? visiting is not the same as no longer believing in Catholic teaching.