SPLIT: The Eucharist in Scripture and Catholic teaching.

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Hardly any will give the correct answer, “It is when Mary was conceived in the womb of St. Elizabeth without the stain of original sin on her soul.”
Er, uh - actually, the correct answer is, “It is when Mary was conceived in the womb of St. Anne without the stain of original sin on her soul.” 😉

St. Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin, and the mother of St. John the Baptist, whose feast day we recently celebrated. 🙂
 
Er, uh - actually, the correct answer is, “It is when Mary was conceived in the womb of St. Anne without the stain of original sin on her soul.” 😉

St. Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin, and the mother of St. John the Baptist, whose feast day we recently celebrated. 🙂
Yes, yes. 🙂

I stand corrected!

An especially egregious error given the fact that I was so scornful of Catholic ignorance!

But, in my defense, I really knew that it was St. Anne. It was just a momentary lapse.

I hope you don’t mind but I think I still have time to edit, so I will try to do so.
 
Are Catholic Charismatics different than Protestant?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=690608

It is not always easy to discern the Holy Spirit in someone. Gifts of the Spirit are given to build up the community of God. They are not a sign of personal holiness and should not be taken as such.

There is the other side (and no, I’m not talking Protestants), the side people do not want to mention, but is quite real. I had much contact with that side before I converted. I read palms, told fortunes with cards and held séances. I was pretty good at it, although it was a hobby for me, not a profession. I opened the door to that evil and let it in to my life. I had to be exorcised to free me from the evil spirits who had attached themselves to me.

These spirits roam the world seeking souls to devour. They can imitate the True Gifts of the Spirit and so these should be carefully discerned. Evil is quite canny. Evil spirits will include just enough of the Truth to get their Big Lies across.

They have two really big lies. The first is that the Church is not really the Church that Jesus founded and the second is that the Eucharist is only a symbol. Once they get people to believe this, they have their souls. I speak as one familiar with ‘the other side’ in this war and I would be uncharitable in the extreme to allow people to go on believing that and not tell them the Truth.

There is only one shelter, Jesus Christ and the Church He founded. One Truth, not many truths. One Body, One Spirit, One Eucharist.
 
Have any of you listened to John Michael Talbot? He’s a well-known Catholic musician who has recorded many CDs. My wife & I really love his soft, soothing, uplifting voice & music.
 
How does the Eucharist help?

It imparts grace and inward sanctification that are communicated to the soul. The Eucharist is God Himself entering into us to enlighten and strengthen us to do His will through the nourishment of His Body and Blood. That is why it is so important to receive Jesus worthily.

Does everyone receive worthily?

I don’t think there would be such a dire warning about it if everyone did.
Thanks for your answer, adrift.

You said, “The Eucharist is God Himself entering into us to enlighten and strengthen us to do His will.”

God Himself entered into me and enlightened and strengthened me to do His will 29 years ago when I decided to make Him my Lord. The more I read the Bible and pray and obey, the more I am enlightened and strengthened to do His will.

I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just reacting to what seems to me to be an implication that you take in his spiritual nourishment only when you partake of the Eucharist. I’m just helping you realize how Protestants think so we can learn to understand each other better.

Yes, there is a dire warning in the Bible for the Corinthians who were actually getting drunk—can you believe it?—during the Eucharist. . . . and other disrespectful things . . . (It’s going to take too long for me to type out the verses I’m thinking of, so I’ll just paste them on here from BibleGateway.com [which is a very handy tool, by the way].)

1 Corinthians 11:17-19, 20-22 (New International Version)

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. . . . 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!

It’s nice to talk to you, adrift. 🍿
 
Cal had said,

I see a big difference between the human spirit (soul, heart) and the Spirit (Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus). Do you? Once the Holy Spirit comes into your heart, you are a new creature, carrying the very nature of God in you. You have become a child of God.
Is that pretty much the way you and the Catholics see it?

PR Merger responded with, “Yes, it is.”

I’m now live 🎉, saying, “Great, we have lots in common after all.”
 
Sorry I don’t have time to respond to everyone now, but I will eventually.

I can see as I scan that Linda Marie is back! I’m glad about that because I was concerned about you and have been praying for you and your eldest son. Please let me know if anything takes a turn for the better.

I also want to say hi and welcome to the new persons. 👋
 
Cal had said,

I see a big difference between the human spirit (soul, heart) and the Spirit (Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus). Do you? Once the Holy Spirit comes into your heart, you are a new creature, carrying the very nature of God in you. You have become a child of God.
Is that pretty much the way you and the Catholics see it?

PR Merger responded with, “Yes, it is.”

I’m now live 🎉, saying, “Great, we have lots in common after all.”
👍
 
Have any of you listened to John Michael Talbot? He’s a well-known Catholic musician who has recorded many CDs. My wife & I really love his soft, soothing, uplifting voice & music.
Yes–his music is very uplifting. 👍
 
Thanks for your answer, adrift.

You said, “The Eucharist is God Himself entering into us to enlighten and strengthen us to do His will.”

God Himself entered into me and enlightened and strengthened me to do His will 29 years ago when I decided to make Him my Lord. The more I read the Bible and pray and obey, the more I am enlightened and strengthened to do His will.
In my case, I did not decide to make Him my Lord. He had been knocking at the door to my heart for years, but I was always too busy having fun, pleasing myself. He finally took me by the scruff of the neck and gave me a good shake. and I surrendered to Him.
I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just reacting to what seems to me to be an implication that you take in his spiritual nourishment only when you partake of the Eucharist. I’m just helping you realize how Protestants think so we can learn to understand each other better.
We may partake of His spiritual nourishment any time. (Act of Spiritual Communion) Only in the reception of the Eucharist does that nourishment become physical as well as spiritual.

During the consecration, when the priest adds the water to the wine, he prays softly, "By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in the divinity of Christ who humbled Himself to share in our humanity.

In the Eucharist, His Divine Body physically enters ours as food, as physical nourishment; His Divine Substance becomes part of our substance. This is how we share in Divine Life, how we become One Body in Christ. If we do not eat His Body and drink His Blood, our mortal flesh is not transformed, but remains mortal. The more we receive the Eucharist, the more our physical bodies are made of Divine Substance, the more Christ-like we become. He is our Food, placed in a manger at birth, called Lamb of God by John the Baptist, sacrificed at Calvary. And we must eat His Body and drink His Blood if we want to share in His Life.

It doesn’t matter what you feel. You can feel absolutely nothing, or be transported to the greatest spiritual heights. Neither has any bearing on the reality of sharing in the Divine Body of God and how our mortal substance is subsumed into divine substance, becoming the One Body of Christ, just as the water is subsumed into the wine.

As warned though, we must meet certain requirements to receive the very Body of Christ. Not meeting these requirements means that instead of bringing eternal life, the Body of Christ, the Divine Substance of God, will be our eternal death.

When one receives communion in a church, one is proclaiming oneself to be in communion with that church. One bread, One body, One Lord. If one is not in communion with the Church, does not believe as the Church believes and one receives the Lord anyway, that person has lied to God in the very act of receiving God. Can you not see how this would have grave consequences?
Yes, there is a dire warning in the Bible for the Corinthians who were actually getting drunk—can you believe it?—during the Eucharist. . . . and other disrespectful things . . . (It’s going to take too long for me to type out the verses I’m thinking of, so I’ll just paste them on here from BibleGateway.com [which is a very handy tool, by the way].)

1 Corinthians 11:17-19, 20-22 (New International Version)

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. . . . 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!

It’s nice to talk to you, adrift. 🍿
Yes, and having received the warning, the Church changed Her liturgical practices to stop that abuse.

Originally, the early Church celebrated the Eucharist as a Passover meal. There was a substantial amount of food and wine in the liturgical agape meal quite apart from the Eucharist. Paul is chastising the Corinthians for abusing the agape meal.
Think about what would happen if your church started having a free cooked meal every Sunday, for anyone who wanted to come. Do you think some people might attend just for the free food, and act like those Corinthians in the passage?

And while they were not gorging themselves on the Body nor becoming drunk on the Blood, they were behaving in quite an un-Christian manner. As I recall, the Corinthians needed a lot of correction. Theirs was a decadent, hedonistic culture and their bad habits were hard to break.

It was precisely this sort of abuse which led to dropping the agape meal from the liturgy entirely.

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(btw, July is the month devoted to the Precious Blood of Jesus. The Litany of the Most Precious Blood can be found here.)

Thank you, everyone, for your prayers. It is still to soon for the next PET scan, so there is no news on that front. The last ultrasound showed the baby is a girl. Now they have to decide if they really will paint the nursery neon pink.
 
Thank you, everyone, for your prayers. It is still to soon for the next PET scan, so there is no news on that front. The last ultrasound showed the baby is a girl. Now they have to decide if they really will paint the nursery neon pink.
Neon pink is my favorite!

Prayers going up right now for healing to your son and a healthy granddaughter.
 
Thanks for your answer, adrift.

You said, “The Eucharist is God Himself entering into us to enlighten and strengthen us to do His will.”

God Himself entered into me and enlightened and strengthened me to do His will 29 years ago when I decided to make Him my Lord. The more I read the Bible and pray and obey, the more I am enlightened and strengthened to do His will.

I’m not being sarcastic. I’m just reacting to what seems to me to be an implication that you take in his spiritual nourishment only when you partake of the Eucharist. I’m just helping you realize how Protestants think so we can learn to understand each other better.
Sarcasm never entered my mind. I think you may have lost track of the conversation. In Post 491 you asked
OK, here’s the question I want to ask (I also asked this of my friend, jmcrea): How does partaking in the Eucharist help you to become more like Jesus or help you attract others to Jesus or help you bring glory to God? In general, how does it improve your life? Why would you recommend it to others?
This was the question I was answering. I was not answering how I am Spiritually nourished by Jesus.
Yes, there is a dire warning in the Bible for the Corinthians who were actually getting drunk—can you believe it?—during the Eucharist. . . . and other disrespectful things . . . (It’s going to take too long for me to type out the verses I’m thinking of, so I’ll just paste them on here from BibleGateway.com [which is a very handy tool, by the way].)
1 Corinthians 11:17-19, 20-22 (New International Version)
17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. . . . 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!
It’s nice to talk to you, adrift. 🍿
But the verse I was speaking about was
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
 
Good description of Baptism and Confirmation.
Oh, really! We teach that baptism is an outer sign of an inward work. In other words, baptism is a public proclamation of what has already happened in the heart. Does that match what the Catholic Church teaches?
Good thing we have Penance [because we all fall short]. I am interested in what you mean by doctrine of justification?
Penance? That is repeating Hail Marys and the Lord’s Prayer over and over?

Justification is a pardon (forgiveness) for sin from God which people have when they become followers of Jesus. Jesus’ sacrifice of himself made justification possible. God has to pardon us (wash us in His Son’s blood) before we can come into his presence.

This is because all humankind are sinners and unfit to come into God’s presence. Darkness can’t live in the presence of light. (When I say “God’s presence,” I mean His nature, His Spirit, His love, etc.)

Does that match what you believe?

God bless. 🙂
 
Oh, really! We teach that baptism is an outer sign of an inward work. In other words, baptism is a public proclamation of what has already happened in the heart. Does that match what the Catholic Church teaches?
No, Cal.

What happens at baptism makes nuclear fission look like child’s play.

The universe is changed forever. And that is putting it mildly, Cal! An indelible mark is placed on the soul–and what existed 10 seconds prior to the confection of the sacrament exists no more. A soul has been marked for Christ for eternity!
 
Oh yeah you were very close probably went right pass my house. We live in beautiful area. Did you like Balancing Rock? At one time, you could climb on the Ship but they had to stop that to protect it. I believe I have a picture of myself on it. Unfortunately, they got rid of the Camera Obscura. I really miss that at 25 cents a look.
Balancing Rock at the Garden of the gods? Yes, I liked it. it made me think of Zane Grey’s book, Riders of the Purple Sage.

I’m not sure what you mean by “Camera Obscura.”
 
Penance? That is repeating Hail Marys and the Lord’s Prayer over and over?
It could be. That depends upon what the priest gives you for your penance.

I have indeed been given “Pray 3 Hail Marys” as my penance.

Do you see something wrong with that?

Have you ever forgiven your neighbor boy for breaking your basement window with a baseball, but still made him pay for its repair?
 
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