SPLIT: The Eucharist in Scripture and Catholic teaching.

[IanGE]

Because of people like you who claim to be “born in the Holy Spirit” who contradict pretty much every teaching of the Church, commune with heretics, and actively, consciously lead others astray.

It’s one thing to have your head in the clouds; it’s another to say that whatever occurs to you in your dream-state is “from God” and that anything the clergy tells you is “of the devil.” Heck, if you were in my house and telling me that I am of the devil, I’d boot you out the door, too.

I do not “claim”: I didn’t know what was happening when I was Born Again. Blessedly, it was a Charismatic Catholic priest who laid hands on me. He explained I had been given the gifts of the Spirit. “What’s that?” “Enjoy, Ian, I’ll explain later.” I was gob-smacked to be shown SO MANY references in Scripture which paralleled Charismatic RENEWAL in 1981 (for me). The indwelling Holy Spirit (CONFIRMED by the signs) guides me as to who is a heretic and who a true believer. If the Holy Spirit discerns an evil presence I will obediently drive it out in the Name of Jesus. If clergy, or anyone else NOT demonstrating Jesus’ signs of the Believer see the HOLY SPIRIT as “of the Devil”, I would direct them to Luke 12:10: “anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
BTW I very rarely am in a “dream-state” when I hear from the Lord. Most often he butts in wothout so much as a “by-your-leave” when I’m driving, shopping, having a pint in the pub. I have walking with the Lord for 31 years (correction, 32 last September 12). From the beginning there has been a hard learning curve; I know Jesus says “my sheep know my voice” but, yes, Evil Fred tries hard to mimic the voice of God. I even followed the “wrong voice” for three months as a baby Christian until I realised it just felt wrong. I had applied the test of Paul “Can you say ‘Jesus is Lord’ and the liar replied 'but I AM Jesus!”. I was then told to apply the test of John: “are you Jesus, the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, etc.” The voice did a swift exit left!
Then, of course, there is your OWN voice, but that follows your predictable pattern. The Lord’s voice, even when He is giving you a right old telling-off, ALWAYS leaves you on a high. No condemnation (that’s the other guy) but a conviction “Now do you understand, Ian” I’ve noticed He always calls you by your name, although Charlie may try: he HATES you and you can hear the gagging in his voice…
Finally, the Holy Spirit in me will NEVER lead anyone astray. I once asked the Lord to prevent my lips from hurting anyone. The Lord replied, “oh, you will hurt many, Ian, you will hurt their preconceived ideas. But you will never HARM anyone.” OK Boss!

 

[IanGE]

Doesn’t Paul say to disregard revelations and even angels if they speak false things? I don’t remember the exact verse, though…

Not quite, 1 Cor. 13: “If i speak in the tongues of men and of angels but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy … but I have not love, I am nothing.” 1. Cor 14: "Eagerly desire Spiritual gifts, especially the gift of Prophecy.

 

[thesmiter1]

Not quite, 1 Cor. 13: “If i speak in the tongues of men and of angels but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy … but I have not love, I am nothing.” 1. Cor 14: "Eagerly desire Spiritual gifts, especially the gift of Prophecy.

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach [to you] a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!”

Galatians 1: 8

You are denying truths of the Gospel that had been handed down since the apostles by Tradition. Why?

 

[thesmiter1]

“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).

This is from the Didache, from around 70 AD. How much earlier do you want to go?

How about some Barnabas:

“You shall judge righteously. You shall not make a schism, but you shall pacify those that contend by bringing them together. You shall confess your sins. You shall not go to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light” (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).

Or would some Ignatius be helpful:

“For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of penance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ” (Letter to the Philadelphians 3 [A.D. 110]).

“For where there is division and wrath, God does not dwell. To all them that repent, the Lord grants forgiveness, if they turn in penitence to the unity of God, and to communion with the bishop” (ibid., 8).

You would benefit greatly from actually learning what the early Church teaches, rather than what you selectively wish it taught.

Let me ask you something (and all non-Catholic Christians): Do you really, truly believe that Christ would leave the operation of His Church to the individual interpretation of every man who became Christian? If so, then why are there so many different Christian belief systems? And why, before Luther, was there only one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church (the Orthodox are schismatic, and adhere to the dogma of the Church, but refuse to acknowledge the Roman Bishop as the pastoral head of the Church).

Can you answer me? Can you explain why the Church Fathers and the earliest Catechism are so blatantly obvious about sacraments? Can you explain why the Catholic Church has existed firmly for so long, while non-Catholic Christians have already split into about 30,000 denominations? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

I posted this a while ago. Can you please explain? How could God, who is absolute Truth, lead so many people to so many conclusions, and why, for so long, was there a central authority that prevented this from happening?

And I’ve got another one: why would Jesus, who adhered to the traditional methods of prayer and reverent worship of the Jews, suddenly advocate a religion without any form or order? God instituted the hierarchy of the Davidic Kingdom. If Christ is the fulfillment of this, why would He do a 180? Anyone?

And how about responding to those quotes about confessing sins in church and before receiving Communion?

 

[IanGE]

Jesus is allowed to condemn you for your sins, though, right?

The Catholic Church is the present-day incarnation of Jesus. Be assured that if the Church condemns you, as you claim, then that is Jesus condemning you - not mere man.

But the Church actually doesn’t condemn anyone. She simply says, “here’s where you’re going wrong. Here’s how to fix it. Do better! Become a Saint!” Because only Saints get to go to Heaven, Ian. Sinners don’t.

JESUS NEVER CONDEMNS, John 3:17/18: “For God did not send His Son to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world THROUGH HIM.” Whoever believes IN HIM is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned…"
We Committed CHRISTIANS understand that the Holy Spirit does not condemn but CONVICTS us of sin. Even though the Lord tells us off it is with love that leaves us understanding where we’d gone wrong and then its easy to say “I ain’t gonna do THAT anymore!” Condemnation is hateful: if as you say “the Church condemns you” its NOT my Father, Jesus or the indwelling Holy Spirit: they LOVE (agape) me!

One glorious release from worldy terror by ALL Born Again Believers is we can say, with Paul, “death, where is thy sting.” Oh yes, we are sinners, but Jesus came for us and by simply accepting HIM and HIS supreme sacrifice we KNOW we are going to Eternal Life with HIM in the Heavens. His promises over that are all over the Scriptures. But of course if you choose dogma, doctrine, catechism over HIS word then you’re trapped in grovelling unworthiness. I simply CANNOT say, in the words of a Pagan, “Lord I am not worthy” at mass. I don’t know about you, but Jesus DIED to MAKE me WORTHY to stand before my God and say “Father, I love you” and HEAR Him say “I’ve always loved you too, Ian”.
All this DESPITE my sin-filled life: Amazing Grace!. I sometimes think if the finger of God twitched when he pointed at my house in 1981, the bloke next door would have have copped all that grace! I just KNOW that when I stand before the great Judgement seat, Jesus will call from the defence bench: “OK, Dad, he’s one of mine!” Which means I can get on with ENJOYING God’s beautiful world without fear - apart from “Lord, when I die, don’t let it hurt!”

 

[IanGE]

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach [to you] a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!”

Galatians 1: 8

You are denying truths of the Gospel that had been handed down since the apostles by Tradition. Why?

QUE?
In what way was I DENYING the truths of the Gospel by quoting word for word (in English) what Paul wrote? The original words to which I QUOTED 1 Cor. were trying to testify that Paul told us that Angelic REVELATIONS were false. He said nothing of the sort. In Galatians he hypothesises “IF”. Angels cannot deviate from the truth preset in them: they do not have free will. Which is why Paul tells us: “don’t you know we will JUDGE the angels?” (1 Cor 6:3)
BTW I am simply INCAPABLE of denying truths of the GOOD NEWS inspired by the Holy Spirit, especially when the Inspirer Hisself lives in me and is reading over my shoulder Not just me but the “we” that Jesus speaks about in John 3. No particular miracle just a Grace available to all who ask. (Luke 11:13)
However, I feel obliged to question round peg verses in Scripture that have been distorted to squidge into square holes of doctrine and dogma. For example a gentle commandment that God personally gave to Moses: “Remember to KEEP HOLY the Sabbath day” that became a guilt-ridden mortal sin if one fails to go to Sunday mass. Amongst many many others.
But after very nearly 2000 years of Catholic control we poor old Catholics simply don’t know what to believe anymore. Perhaps this is why the Charismatic RENEWAL, as prophesied, has come to those who still retain the basic core beliefs in Jesus. "The Holy Spirit will remind you of everything **I **said, " Jesus promises in John 14:26. He tells us who know Him, “that’s Man, Ian”; “That’s basically what I said (and where)”; “I didn’t REALLY say that, but I can go along with it.”
No wonder the established Churches are panicking because over a billion believers (and counting) have given themselves to Jesus and are graced with the gifts and (eventually) the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Don’t miss the bus!

 

[IanGE]

The question was

Your answer

You were asked for a quote that demonstrated suspicion of the Holy Spirit. You didn’t answer that instead you make a a half quote of Jesus. What you left out was unless you are born again of water and the Spirit(Baptism). If you are going to make an accusation at least back it up with some sort of documentation instead of misusing scripture. Even the devil quoted Scripture.

Half quote? Reeeeelly!
There is an interpretation that states that when Jesus mentions born of water, he meant the liquid in which a foetus lives until birth. ALL Catholics know that Gifts of the Spirit have NEVER been taught by the church. ALL know there is open hostilty by laity and clergy. You can bite your teeth on it in this very forum. If you are frightened by the devil quoting Scripture then you NEED an infilling of the Holy Spirit to discern and drive him out.
In Acts 10:44 on, Cornelius and his Gentile household received their baptism in the Spirit and began speaking in tongues and praising God WHILE PETER WAS STILL SPEAKING. Afterwards, Peter ordered them baptised in water.
Misusing Scripture? All this is “IN THE BOOK!”. But somehow not transferred to doctrine, dogma et al. Jesus said (John3:7): “YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN”. MUST! Jesus’ words: any arguments take it up with Him. But then he was talking to Nicodemus so that lets you and the church out!

 

[PRmerger]

Eusebius himself gave as title to his book: “The History of the CHRISTIAN church.”

Indeed, Ian. And since he was a bishop, who celebrated the Mass, and heard confessions, and venerated the saints, he was a Catholic.

As long as you understand that this is what the early Church practiced, and this is what the modern Catholic Church does, we’re good!

Christian churches today that don’t have bishops, don’t celebrate the Mass, don’t have the sacrament of confession…have divorced themselves from the faith that Eusebius proclaimed.

I don’t know when the word “Catholic” superseded Christianity.

 

[PRmerger]

in fact it was Eusebius himself who explains that the only way to forgive sins in his time was at Baptism. He appears to be one of the prime movers to condemn those who, after baptism, “denied Jesus” by keeping a low profile during the Persection (unlike our hero, Eusebius!). He even scoffs at those who provided a get-out by suggesting a second baptism to get shot of post-baptism sins.

Then he was proclaiming heresy.

This was rejected by the Council of Nicea (“one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”) at which no pope presided: Constantine presided, even though he was not baptised at the time.

Ok. Interesting point, but irrelevant, even if true.

The veneration of Mary as Theotokos (God Bearer) wasn’t proclaimed until the third council of Ephesus (AD 431) nearly a hundred years after Eusebius’ death

And the Trinity was not proclaimed until the 4th century.

Are you a Trinitarian, Ian?

 

[PRmerger]

If Peter was infallible, then Paul, who told Peter off, must have been fallible. Strike all Pauline testimony out.

Can you tell us what error Peter proclaimed as doctrine, Ian?

That Paul “told Peter off” is not an indictment of Peter’s infallibility, but rather a testament to the fact that Peter was not impeccable.

BTW Papal Infallibilty was only pronounced dogma on July 18, 1870. Strike out Peter, too!

Are you a believer in the Trinity, Ian? Do you know that it wasn’t pronounced dogma until the 4th century?

 

[PRmerger]

Finally, the Holy Spirit in me will NEVER lead anyone astray.

This is about as close to a man claiming infallibility as I’ve ever heard.

And just to be fair, Ian. Do you claim this ability for yourself, but for no other man? You, “guided by the Holy Spirit” will NEVER lead anyone astray, but the pope can’t claim the same thing?

Is that your position?

 

[onenow1]

Hi,All Just passing through again. Rev. 19, the marriage supper of the Lamb, Jesus promised to be with us always, and this is the crux of the matter, if he could become the Son of God,through Mary, then why not bread and wine, just the way He said this is my body ?

God Bless All
onenow1

 

[adrift]

Half quote? Reeeeelly!
There is an interpretation that states that when Jesus mentions born of water, he meant the liquid in which a foetus lives until birth. ALL Catholics know that Gifts of the Spirit have NEVER been taught by the church. ALL know there is open hostilty by laity and clergy. You can bite your teeth on it in this very forum. If you are frightened by the devil quoting Scripture then you NEED an infilling of the Holy Spirit to discern and drive him out.
In Acts 10:44 on, Cornelius and his Gentile household received their baptism in the Spirit and began speaking in tongues and praising God WHILE PETER WAS STILL SPEAKING. Afterwards, Peter ordered them baptised in water.
Misusing Scripture? All this is “IN THE BOOK!”. But somehow not transferred to doctrine, dogma et al. Jesus said (John3:7): “YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN”. MUST! Jesus’ words: any arguments take it up with Him. But then he was talking to Nicodemus so that lets you and the church out!

Not a Catholic interpretation. First of all you are ignorant. It is obvious that you did not read the links I gave you both for baptism and penance. I assume you do not know that Pope is a word for father. Your ignorance of history is only surpassed by your ignorance of the Bible. That ignorance is surpassed by your rudeness in this forum. This thread is about the Eucharist not one thing you have posted, which goes against forum rules is about the Eucharist. So please stop derailing this subject and start your own threads. I urge others to stop answering him as I intend to do.

 

[jmcrae]

Half quote? Reeeeelly!
There is an interpretation that states that when Jesus mentions born of water, he meant the liquid in which a foetus lives until birth.

And it’s a completely ridiculous interpretation, unless we are supposed to think that people who were never in their mother’s womb are walking around in the world.

ALL Catholics know that Gifts of the Spirit have NEVER been taught by the church.

Actually, every kid I’ve ever taught in the past 11 or more years knows that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are seven in number: Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Right Judgement (also called Good Counsel), Courage (also called Fortitude), Piety, and Awe (or Fear) of the Lord - and that we receive them in their fulness when we worthily receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, in a state of grace.

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. MUST!

Yes, we MUST. We must be baptized with water, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

I have sad news for you, that collapsing on the floor and babbling senselessly is not the “water” of the Holy Spirit.

Nor is the amniotic fluid in which you (and everyone else, including people who are not Born Again) floated for nine months in your mother’s womb.

 

[Linda_Marie]

Originally Posted by Cal Fullerton View Post
PR, here are some verses I’ve taken from a collection I have.
I believe you’ll find some absolute requirements, some nonnegotiables—we must do them OR ELSE!

There are many other things we must do besides believe. Here is one, which became a stumbling block for many and they left him.

[BIBLEDRB]John 6: 25 - 58[/BIBLEDRB]

We** MUST** eat His Body and drink His Blood if we want Life. Only Churches with Apostolic Succession have the authority to confect the Eucharist. All other Christian churches are imitations. They cannot bring you to life, no matter if you are Born Again, or Baptised in the Spirit. Without the Eucharist, you have no life within you.

Accept No Substitutes

 

[thesmiter1]

QUE?
In what way was I DENYING the truths of the Gospel by quoting word for word (in English) what Paul wrote? The original words to which I QUOTED 1 Cor. were trying to testify that Paul told us that Angelic REVELATIONS were false. He said nothing of the sort. In Galatians he hypothesises “IF”. Angels cannot deviate from the truth preset in them: they do not have free will. Which is why Paul tells us: “don’t you know we will JUDGE the angels?” (1 Cor 6:3)
BTW I am simply INCAPABLE of denying truths of the GOOD NEWS inspired by the Holy Spirit, especially when the Inspirer Hisself lives in me and is reading over my shoulder Not just me but the “we” that Jesus speaks about in John 3. No particular miracle just a Grace available to all who ask. (Luke 11:13)
However, I feel obliged to question round peg verses in Scripture that have been distorted to squidge into square holes of doctrine and dogma. For example a gentle commandment that God personally gave to Moses: “Remember to KEEP HOLY the Sabbath day” that became a guilt-ridden mortal sin if one fails to go to Sunday mass. Amongst many many others.
But after very nearly 2000 years of Catholic control we poor old Catholics simply don’t know what to believe anymore. Perhaps this is why the Charismatic RENEWAL, as prophesied, has come to those who still retain the basic core beliefs in Jesus. "The Holy Spirit will remind you of everything **I **said, " Jesus promises in John 14:26. He tells us who know Him, “that’s Man, Ian”; “That’s basically what I said (and where)”; “I didn’t REALLY say that, but I can go along with it.”
No wonder the established Churches are panicking because over a billion believers (and counting) have given themselves to Jesus and are graced with the gifts and (eventually) the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Don’t miss the bus!

The Gospel is more than just believing that Jesus came and died for us and our salvation. It is the result of this. There are implications, as we were bought at a price. You clearly can deny the Gospel, because you deny so many of its implications. You deny that Christ would be with us to the end of the age. You deny that he gave Peter the keys, and that whatever they bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, and the sins they forgive are forgiven. You deny that God would allow His Church to prevent Hell from prevailing against it.

You deny so much, and so many different ‘established’ Christian faiths disagree with you and each other. Yet before this, there was One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Heresy arose and was denied. Truth was discovered through the hierarchy that Christ established and the Apostles maintained at His command. Tell me, why, if when men ‘freed’ themselves to interpret the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit, they were led to so many different and contradictory conclusions? How is this so if God is absolute Truth? How can there be conflicting truth if God is absolute Truth?

I haven’t missed the bus, Ian. You got off it. How many saints had wonderful experiences in prayer by the grace of the Holy Spirit, yet remained faithful to the Church? How much history and Tradition and writings and Scriptural backing do we have throughout the history of the Church? Yet you are greater than all of it, and your revelation and interpretation is somehow greater than a unified and collective Body of Christ established by the Apostles?

Your heart is hardened by your pride, Ian. Your desire for a god that fits into your broken humanity has blinded you. I was guilty of this before, as I believe many are today. There is little else to say. You have ears, but you will not hear. I pray that you open your heart to humility and obedience, and seek spiritual guidance immediately from someone who can help you discern the ‘revelation’ you receive. May God lead you to Truth.

 

[thesmiter1]

“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).

This is from the Didache, from around 70 AD. How much earlier do you want to go?

How about some Barnabas:

“You shall judge righteously. You shall not make a schism, but you shall pacify those that contend by bringing them together. You shall confess your sins. You shall not go to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light” (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).

Or would some Ignatius be helpful:

“For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of penance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ” (Letter to the Philadelphians 3 [A.D. 110]).

“For where there is division and wrath, God does not dwell. To all them that repent, the Lord grants forgiveness, if they turn in penitence to the unity of God, and to communion with the bishop” (ibid., 8).

You would benefit greatly from actually learning what the early Church teaches, rather than what you selectively wish it taught.

Let me ask you something (and all non-Catholic Christians): Do you really, truly believe that Christ would leave the operation of His Church to the individual interpretation of every man who became Christian? If so, then why are there so many different Christian belief systems? And why, before Luther, was there only one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church (the Orthodox are schismatic, and adhere to the dogma of the Church, but refuse to acknowledge the Roman Bishop as the pastoral head of the Church).

Can you answer me? Can you explain why the Church Fathers and the earliest Catechism are so blatantly obvious about sacraments? Can you explain why the Catholic Church has existed firmly for so long, while non-Catholic Christians have already split into about 30,000 denominations? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

Also, despite your infallible wisdom granted to you by the Holy Spirit (the likes of which cannot be matched even by the collective wisdom and discernment of the Holy Spirit in so many more holy men and women in the Catholic Church since Christ), you have not responded to this.

What you are claiming is nothing new. It happened 500 years ago and has happened at least some 30,000 times since then: That YOU are right, and the wisdom of the Church, the Tradition of the Church, the Scripture when taken into context with Tradition and history, are WRONG.

God bless you, Ian. May you find your way back home.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I feel that the thread has served its purpose.

Maybe you feel that way, but others may not.

If it has satisfied you, then quit posting to this thread.

If you want to discuss something else, Start A New Thread.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I. THE EUCHARIST - SOURCE AND SUMMIT OF ECCLESIAL LIFE

1324 The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life."136 "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch."137

1325 "The Eucharist is the efficacious sign and sublime cause of that communion in the divine life and that unity of the People of God by which the Church is kept in being. It is the culmination both of God’s action sanctifying the world in Christ and of the worship men offer to Christ and through him to the Father in the Holy Spirit."138

1326 Finally, by the Eucharistic celebration we already unite ourselves with the heavenly liturgy and anticipate eternal life, when God will be all in all.139

1327 In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking."140

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1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:
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1382 <…> But the celebration of the Eucharistic sacrifice is wholly directed toward the intimate union of the faithful with Christ through communion. To receive communion is to receive Christ himself who has offered himself for us.
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The fruits of Holy Communion

1391 Holy Communion augments our union with Christ. The principal fruit of receiving the Eucharist in Holy Communion is an intimate union with Christ Jesus. Indeed, the Lord said: "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him."226 Life in Christ has its foundation in the Eucharistic banquet: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."227
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IN BRIEF

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1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.

1408 The Eucharistic celebration always includes: the proclamation of the Word of God; thanksgiving to God the Father for all his benefits, above all the gift of his Son; the consecration of bread and wine; and participation in the liturgical banquet by receiving the Lord’s body and blood. These elements constitute one single act of worship.

1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.

1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. And it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.

1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.

1412 The essential signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last Supper: “This is my body which will be given up for you. . . . This is the cup of my blood. . . .”

1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).

1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.

1417 The Church warmly recommends that the faithful receive Holy Communion when they participate in the celebration of the Eucharist; she obliges them to do so at least once a year.

1418 Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar, he is to be honored with the worship of adoration. “To visit the Blessed Sacrament is . . . a proof of gratitude, an expression of love, and a duty of adoration toward Christ our Lord” (Paul VI, MF 66).

1419 Having passed from this world to the Father, Christ gives us in the Eucharist the pledge of glory with him. Participation in the Holy Sacrifice identifies us with his Heart, sustains our strength along the pilgrimage of this life, makes us long for eternal life, and unites us even now to the Church in heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints.

 

[thesmiter1]

Maybe you feel that way, but others may not.

If it has satisfied you, then quit posting to this thread.

If you want to discuss something else, Start A New Thread.

You’re right. Since most of the posts are now off topic, and since you made the thread and would like it to be back on topic, it would be a good time for me to stop posting. We’ve definitely strayed from the topic of the True Presence, and for that, I apologize.