SPLIT: Where is that "Berean" when the canon was set?

[LegoGE1947]

I’m sorry i can’t give you any citation because i was assuming that one of the attributes of their nobility was the ability to read.its a fair assumption since it is confirmed they actually could read because they examined the scriptures themselves unlike in Thessalonica where it is Paul who had to explain the scriptures to the thessalonicans(Acts 17:1-3).
However its just my opinion and i may be wrong…
I use the Christian Community Bible and Acts 17:11 reads thus:
“Its members were moreopen-minded than those in Thessalonica and welcomed the message with great enthusiasm.Each day they examined the scriptures to see if these things were so.” The word “open-minded” here csubstitutes for your “noble” and is very compatible with being literate and able to read.But this also is just my interpretation and may be wrong.
Whats important to note is that during the time of Jesus up to the renaissance reading and writting was reserved to a few in society.the majority of people in those times simply could not read nor write and i think it would have been acceptable to describe someone who was literate as “noble”.

In fact in the ancient Roman culture those who could read and write were given the noble title “lego” meaning " I can read"

 

[pablope]

I’m sorry i can’t give you any citation because i was assuming that one of the attributes of their nobility was the ability to read.its a fair assumption since it is confirmed they actually could read because they examined the scriptures themselves unlike in Thessalonica where it is Paul who had to explain the scriptures to the thessalonicans(Acts 17:1-3).
However its just my opinion and i may be wrong…
I use the Christian Community Bible and

Acts 17:11 reads thus:
“Its members were moreopen-minded than those in Thessalonica and welcomed the message with great enthusiasm.Each day they examined the scriptures to see if these things were so.”
".

Just some throughts on the Bereans…it says “they” examined the Scriptures…but it does not tell or say how “they” did it…did they do it with their teachers, rabbi, who read for them and taught them, and relayed to them the proper way of understanding scripture, per as St. Paul’s instructions? Or did “they” read it themselves?

They were Jews, had a rabbi and a synagogue. Since they were Jews, what was their usual method of study?

catholic.com/magazine/articles/not-by-scripture-alone

*Luke’s words commend the Bereans for being more noble than the Thessalonians because they eagerly received “the word.” They also examined the scriptures to see if the word was true. So just who were the Bereans? What was “the word” they received and what scriptures did they examine?

Before the New Testament

The Bereans, we’re told, were mainly Jews (and some Greeks), not Christians, and they even had a Jewish synagogue. The word they received was Paul’s teaching about Jesus?that same teaching which he sums up in his first letter to the Corinthians, “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures” (1 Cor. 15:3). The scriptures mentioned here by Paul are the same scriptures which the Bereans examined?the Old Testament scriptures. These were the only scriptures of the day, as no New Testament Scripture existed at the time. Most of the New Testament had not yet been written and what had been written had not yet been canonized so as to attain the status of Scripture. What we see here is a group of people being taught about Christianity by Paul prior to the existence of the New Testament. They eagerly listened to Paul while examining the Old Testament Scripture.*

 

[pablope]

Acts 17:11 - Now the

after all i am sure that we should all receive the message with eagerness and we should all examine the scriptures to see is the message is according to what was written - what this implies is that the brereans were not about to just trust Paul’s interpretation of the Scripture. They wanted scripture to test it.

 

[sennincatholic]

Just some throughts on the Bereans…it says “they” examined the Scriptures…but it does not tell or say how “they” did it…did they do it with their teachers, rabbi, who read for them and taught them, and relayed to them the proper way of understanding scripture, per as St. Paul’s instructions? Or did “they” read it themselves?

They were Jews, had a rabbi and a synagogue. Since they were Jews, what was their usual method of study?

catholic.com/magazine/articles/not-by-scripture-alone

*Luke’s words commend the Bereans for being more noble than the Thessalonians because they eagerly received “the word.” They also examined the scriptures to see if the word was true. So just who were the Bereans? What was “the word” they received and what scriptures did they examine?

Before the New Testament

The Bereans, we’re told, were mainly Jews (and some Greeks), not Christians, and they even had a Jewish synagogue. The word they received was Paul’s teaching about Jesus?that same teaching which he sums up in his first letter to the Corinthians, “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures” (1 Cor. 15:3). The scriptures mentioned here by Paul are the same scriptures which the Bereans examined?the Old Testament scriptures. These were the only scriptures of the day, as no New Testament Scripture existed at the time. Most of the New Testament had not yet been written and what had been written had not yet been canonized so as to attain the status of Scripture. What we see here is a group of people being taught about Christianity by Paul prior to the existence of the New Testament. They eagerly listened to Paul while examining the Old Testament Scripture.*

Thanks Pablope for the clarification.i just read ur post on the other thread about that Mohler guy and “traditional christian orthodoxy”.very interesting.I hope Bobby will understand the message

 

[Bobby_Pandaram]

It has been said that in Catholicism even the buildings are designed to “Preach” to you! Starting with the threshold you cross when you enter. It speaks of leaving this world and its cares behind even for a few minutes and entering into God’s Presence (which is spoken of through the red candle above the altar).The stained glass windows can “speak” even to those unable to read because they depict in picture form scenes from the Gospel. The Crucifix with the crucified Jesus on it tells of the immense price God paid to save our souls and how ugly sin really is. The statues are like family “portraits” that depict heroes and heroines of the Catholic “family” our ancestors in the faith who have gone before us.

As was posted just before me, the Protestant reformation occurred about the same time as the printing press was invented. Prior to this, Bibles were hand printed and were extremely costly (I have heard they might have cost the equivalent of $250,000 just for one copy!) Compare that with today where you can just go to a store and pick out a Bible for as little as $15 in paperback. Even fancy ones that are leather bound can be had for less than $100.

i must agree that the Catholic Churches has spared no expences to fill the church with the best art forms that i have come accross - yes art always tells a story - a picture does paint a thousand words

so big up for the finding creative ways of sending a message.

But that is not the concern that needs clarification - so far i have had a few different veiws (contradictory in nature) that makes it more difficult for me me to reasonable consider Tradition.

 

[pablope]

i must agree that the Catholic Churches has spared no expences to fill the church with the best art forms that i have come accross - yes art always tells a story - a picture does paint a thousand words

so big up for the finding creative ways of sending a message.

But that is not the concern that needs clarification - so far i have had a few different veiws (contradictory in nature) that makes it more difficult for me me to reasonable consider Tradition.

How about your own tradition…or Tradition, Bobby…where did you get your Tradition …from the manner of interpretating the Bible…to your worship services…to the day of worhsip…where did you get all these? What is the basis for all these?

The Wednesday service for Baptists (as I assume there are in your denom)…what is the basis for conducting Wednesday services? Where did you get the authority to conduct Wednesday Services? Where is the Biblical basis?

in the CC, we have worship everyday…Mass everyday of the week…from every Catholic parish from all time zones…as recounted in the Bible here:

Acts 2:

46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they partook of food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

So here is my question to you…how come you do not break bread everyday?

Look at what they do in heaven as told by Revelations:

Rev 4: 8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing,

“Holy, holy, holy,[d] is the Lord God Almighty,
who was and is and is to come!”

In every corner of the world, in every time zone, in every catholic church…God is worshipped…so how does the Baptist follow Rev 4 is my question?

 

[Bobby_Pandaram]

alright then - one quick question

the statement is - JESUS is not found outside the church

the responses are:

1. The statement is true
2. JESUS can to some extent be found
3. JESUS can be found outside the church

again my dillema begins to show and i am left with 3 convincing arguements and i know that they all can’t be right. I do not even want to discuss that the Church mentioned is the Catholic Church even though this is also an interesting discussion. I feel we need to relolve on this before we go out to discuss the next issue of whether the church is exclusively the Catholic Church

GOD bless you.