SPLIT: Which Divine Office do you use?

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[edited] since Baronius Press recently released its Breviarium Romanum.

I am most interested in:
  1. What do working people have time for?
  2. What draws you to the particular version you use (in light of previous exposure to other versions)?
  3. Which hours do you typically pray from your Office?
 
I use the ICEL english 4 volume LOTH set (published by CBP).

I use this set because it’s in english, it’s approved for Canada, and it will be the set I’ll use into the future (this is what they use at the Seminary I’ll be starting at in the fall; they also use the Mundelein Psalter which is for chanting).
  1. What do working people have time for?

  1. Which hours do you typically pray from your Office?
I pray the 5 hours that clergy are required to pray (Morning, Evening, OoR, Daytime, and Night), and usually it’ll be the Midday Prayer for the Daytime.

For working people, it depends what kind of schedule you have. I’ve managed to pray all of the above while working, but in previous jobs I probably wouldn’t have had time for all of them (that was before I started praying the LOTH).
 
I use a monastic diurnal, so no matins.

I usually pray prime and compline, because they are my favourite hours and they are also shorter. I don’t have time for terce, sexte or none on days I am working. However, I know that praying lauds and vespers are the “recommended” hours, and it makes sense because it ties us in with the calendar of the saints. I try to pray lauds and vespers on my days off, usually instead of prime and compline.

I am getting a complete breviary next week, so hopefully I’ll have time to pray matins some days - really, this is my absolute favourite hour.

I know it sounds complicated, but you need to figure out how much time you can devote to the divine office. As lay people, we are not obligated to pray any of the hours, so don’t beat yourself up if you don’t pray all the hours every day. Start by one hour (I recommend compline because it’s the easiest) and make it a habit. Once it’s a habit, then start adding others, one at a time.
 
I use a monastic diurnal, so no matins.

I usually pray prime and compline, because they are my favourite hours and they are also shorter. I don’t have time for terce, sexte or none on days I am working. However, I know that praying lauds and vespers are the “recommended” hours, and it makes sense because it ties us in with the calendar of the saints. I try to pray lauds and vespers on my days off, usually instead of prime and compline.

I am getting a complete breviary next week, so hopefully I’ll have time to pray matins some days - really, this is my absolute favourite hour.

I know it sounds complicated, but you need to figure out how much time you can devote to the divine office. As lay people, we are not obligated to pray any of the hours, so don’t beat yourself up if you don’t pray all the hours every day. Start by one hour (I recommend compline because it’s the easiest) and make it a habit. Once it’s a habit, then start adding others, one at a time.
Wonderful advice.
I think I’ve messed up in the past by trying to do the whole thing straight away.
 
Thanks.

I started too much too soon as well, and ended up giving up a few times. I found this wonderful internet advice (can’t remember where) which helped me, and now I pass it on.
 
As a Benedictine Oblate I try to use the same breviary that my abbey uses. In this case, monastic schema B, with a couple of small modifications, the most important one being an option in the breviary to spread it over two weeks.

However in the summer months I am busier, so I often as now use the 4-week Liturgy of the Hours. I generally chant Lauds and Vespers in Latin, in Gregorian chant, for that I use either books from my abbey or for the 4-week LOTH, a wonderful resource (in Latin and French): Les Heures Grégoriennes.

The reason for that is on weekends in summer I rarely have time to pray Terce and None, so the option for a single mid-day hour around lunch time has appeal.

For the readings for Vigils, I use the 2-year lectionary.
 
Years ago I started with The Little Office of The Blessed Virgin Mary, then used Shorter Christian Prayer, then Christian Prayer ( 1 vol ), then 4 vol LOTH. Recently I acquired the 3 vol Roman Breviary from Baronius. I am now using the 3 vol ; i am still in the learning stage( with the RB ) at this point and find it challenging. I use the English most of the time; although I do attempt the Latin from time to time ( my 4 years of HS Latin were many years ago ). My favorite is Matins , but I pray Lauds, ( sometimes Terce, Sext, None and/or Vespers,) and always Compline. I am not employed outside my home so time is not an issue. I find much peace , solace and hope praying the Divine Office, the prayer of the Church and do appreciate the Breviarium Romanum text.
 
I use an Anglican Breviary–its English has a certain stately quality to it and my spiritual director, being a former ECUSA clergyman himself (a member of the Cowley Fathers actually) had no objections.

anglicanbreviary.net/pictures.html
 
What attracts folks to the 1960 Breviary?

As a Benedictine it holds very little attraction to me. It’s not traditional by any definition (it dates back to 1910 only), and is a very clear break from the monastic roots of the Divine Office. If I had the time I’d use the traditional Benedictine Divine Office (or at least the post V-II variant). In fact even the post V-II version of the Benedictine Office is far more traditional than the Breviarum Romanum, and has the advantage of still being in use in many places.
 
What attracts folks to the 1960 Breviary?
I only attend the TLM. It coincides with the liturgical calendar in use at my parish.
As a Benedictine it holds very little attraction to me. It’s not traditional by any definition (it dates back to 1910 only), and is a very clear break from the monastic roots of the Divine Office.
I prefer the Benedictine layout, but this is a bit much. Although I’d love to hear what you’d have to say about the LoTH with its monthly psalter (minus the dropped verses/psalms that were too offensive) and those sometimes nauseating psalm-prayers (which are optional, I know). I loved the patristic writings in the Office of Readings, but my 4-volume set has been packed away for a while now.
 
I only attend the TLM. It coincides with the liturgical calendar in use at my parish.

I prefer the Benedictine layout, but this is a bit much. Although I’d love to hear what you’d have to say about the LoTH with its monthly psalter (minus the dropped verses/psalms that were too offensive) and those sometimes nauseating psalm-prayers (which are optional, I know). I loved the patristic writings in the Office of Readings, but my 4-volume set has been packed away for a while now.
The Psalm prayers are not in every breviary and are optional. They’re not in the French 4-week LOTH, but are in the French monastic breviary that I most frequently used. They’re not in the French/Latin standard Benedictine psalter either, nor in Liturgia Horarum except as part of a supplement. So I can’t really comment on them as I don’t use them. Never have, never will.

The monthly psalter for the LOTH doesn’t really bother me that much. The breviary was designed for busy secular clergy. It fits that mission well. It isn’t the only 4-week cycle out there either, some monastic communities have their own.

The imprecatory psalms and verses were removed, as you noted. I am not that crazy about that fact; but one thing should be pointed out, this was at the insistence of Paul VI, and not Annibale Bugnini as many probably think. The Monastic breviary I use keeps those psalms as well as the imprecatory verses, placing them in brackets or as footnotes. The community I’m associated with still uses them. I have Les Heures Grégoriennes, a Latin/French diurnal antiphonary for the LOTH (noted for Gregorian chant) that places the imprecatory verses in brackets, though the deleted psalms aren’t there.

If you really dig into it though, you might be surprised at how many deep traditions have been kept in the LOTH; particularly if you read the General Instructions carefully and avail yourself of the many options.

Here’s a few:

The traditional Lauds and Vespers psalms are found… at Lauds and Vespers. The Vespers series leads off with ps. 109 every Sunday.

The basic structure is the same except for the placement of the hymn which has been standardized.

Ps. 50 is repeated every Friday (in the monastic tradition it was every day).

Ps. 66 can be used as an invitatory; if you pray the invitatory before Lauds, that is a reminder of the monastic tradition that always led off Lauds with this psalm.

You can use Ps. 4, 90 and 133 for Compline every night, and you won’t miss psalms, because the psalms for Compline except 4, 90 and 133 are repeated elsewhere in the psalter.

You can pray a “vigil” for Sundays, feasts and solemnities using the appendix.

You can pray the Office of Readings as Vigils; moreover the GILH recommends that religious communities pray them over a 2-week cycle. When I use the LOTH, I divide the OOR into two “nocturnes” (I pray it usually at 6 am), with the OOR psalms from week 1 combined with the psalms from week 2, and week 3 and week 4 together. Add the OT canticles for Sundays, feasts and solemnities, and you have a proper 3-nocturne Vigil office.

There is a notion of “lectio continua” for the psalms; St. Benedict basically ordered a series of psalms for Vigils, another for Lauds and one for Vespers, to be recited in numerical order (with some exceptions). Much of this has been retained in the LOTH.

The other mid-day canonical hours can be added to the mid-day office, so you can pray Terce, Sext and None. Moreover the psalms are taken from the Gradual Psalms, which is traditional for those offices (another appendix in the LOTH).

What I don’t like: the NT canticles instead of a third psalm at Vespers. They don’t chant well, as it doesn’t have the same poetic cadences as the psalms.

The division of psalms, which created a whole bunch of new antiphons which meant a 40-year delay to get a Roman Antiphonary noted for chant. This same mistake though, was also made in Pius X’s 1910 psalter. It really messes things up for where the Office is chanted in community.

What I’m indifferent to: the addition of intercessions at Lauds and Vespers. However keeping with tradition to some extent, the last intercession at Vespers is always for the deceased; previously we recited, after the closing of the Office, “Fidelium animae per misericordiam Dei requiescant in pace”.

In short, while I would prefer a 1 or 2-week cycle rather than 4-week cycle, I can see where the 4-week does come in handy; I use it when I travel or when I’m especially busy. And I can also see that while this Office has been so much maligned, if you dig enough it really isn’t that bad either. Moreover, many of the changes, except for the number of psalms, were “pioneered” in the 1910 Pius X breviary (who unlike Paul VI, did not allow communities or clergy to retain the previous Office), so really shouldn’t come as a shock to students of the 1970 Liturgia Horarum. The most radical ones IMHO was the sectioning of psalms, the shortening of Vigils, and the breaking up of the three Laudate psalms at Lauds (Ps. 148, 149, 150).
 
[edited] since Baronius Press recently released its Breviarium Romanum.

I am most interested in:
  1. What do working people have time for?
  2. What draws you to the particular version you use (in light of previous exposure to other versions)?
  3. Which hours do you typically pray from your Office?
I use the Liturgy of the Hours (ie, the ordinary form) either from my 4 volume set, or from the iBreviary app on my iPhone/iTouch. I pray it because the wide exposure (my friends and I all pray it together whenever we get together, and one of my parishes also has sung celebrations of the office frequently). That being said, I’d certanly not be against switching over to the EF if it were available to me, particularly for free via iPhone app.

I pray it whenever I can. Some days, I’ll pray most of the hours, other days, just compline. It really depends.
 
I use the Liturgy of the Hours (ie, the ordinary form) either from my 4 volume set, or from the iBreviary app on my iPhone/iTouch. I pray it because the wide exposure (my friends and I all pray it together whenever we get together, and one of my parishes also has sung celebrations of the office frequently). That being said, I’d certanly not be against switching over to the EF if it were available to me, particularly for free via iPhone app.
Even if you don’t plan on using it often, Breviarum Meum is available for free on the iPhone. And the HD version for iPad is only $0.99.

Parallel translations can be turned on in the settings pane too. It’s worth a look!
 
Currently, I pray the Ordinary Form of the Office using these books:
Latin: (1) Lauds and Vespers (Enlarged edition) - for Morning and Evening Prayers
(2) Ad Completorium - published by the Vatican Press for Night Prayer

English: Daily Prayer from the Divine Office - published by UK

Due to the demands of working long hours, I don’t usually get to squeeze in the Office of Readings. I do have the Liturgia Horarum (4 volume set) and the Divine Office (3 volume set) when I should be able to return to praying the Office of Readings.

But I’m also interested in starting to pray some of the little hours according to the Extraordinary Form - simply in obedience to the Pope who hoped for greater rapproachment and enrichment between both forms. Does anyone know whether it will be possible to pray, say Compline and one/some of the middle hours, in the extraordinary form while keeping the rest in the ordinary form? I know the calendar might not match, and I’m really interested in praying the Office according to the mind of the Church, so I thought these hours might have the least “clash” with the difference in calendars between the 2 forms of the Roman Rite. Or am I deluding myself? 🤷
 
But I’m also interested in starting to pray some of the little hours according to the Extraordinary Form - simply in obedience to the Pope who hoped for greater rapproachment and enrichment between both forms. Does anyone know whether it will be possible to pray, say Compline and one/some of the middle hours, in the extraordinary form while keeping the rest in the ordinary form? I know the calendar might not match, and I’m really interested in praying the Office according to the mind of the Church, so I thought these hours might have the least “clash” with the difference in calendars between the 2 forms of the Roman Rite. Or am I deluding myself? 🤷
Well the psalmody for the minor hours and compline will be the same. If you use Latin, the pre-Vatican II Office will use the Vulgate translation, and post-Vatican II, the neo-Vulgate.

However, if you look at my post above, your 3-volume set does allow you to use the traditional psalmody for at least two of the minor hours, and for Compline:

In the appendix, there is the alternate psalmody for the minor hours, ps. 119-128 divided three each for Terce, Sext and None. Pray the mid-day office at Terce one week, then the alternate psalmody for Sext and None. The second week, move the mid-day hour to Sext, then the third, to None.

For Compline, the “traditional” Compline psalms are 4, 90, and 133. Ps. 4 and 133 are for Saturday evenings in your books, and Ps. 90 for Sunday. Simply pray 4, 90 and 133 every day. It is a licit option as I mentioned above, in the General Instructions, it is included for those who want to use the tradition of praying Compline in the dark from memory (I’ve been at a monastery where this is done… very moving).

For Compline you never take into account the calendar except for a few minor items (tone of of the responsory and hymn according to the season or degree of feast, responsory with alleluia during Easer Time, and collect for solemnities).

For the minor hours, you’d be respecting tradition while at the same time following the current calendar.

There really is a surprising degree of continuity between forms if you dig beneath the surface. To me the real beauty in bridging between forms is to use the built-in options that make for this continuity, as I’ve noted.
 
Thanks OraLabora!

But I didn’t just want to make use of options, I also want to experience the richness of both forms. For compline in the extraordinary form, for example, the psalms for compline tonight are Psalm 33 and 60, not the Sunday psalms even if those are an option. Also the readings etc are different.

Ok, I’m a demanding person.😛
 
What attracts folks to the 1960 Breviary?
I think just the fact that it is the “current” breviary for the traditional calendar.
It is also approved to fulfill the obligation (in Latin) for those who are under obligation to pray the office.

Personally I use the tridentine breviary from divinumofficium.com when I pray the office.
 
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