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1ke
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This is not correct. The priest is the only minister.
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Jean_Anthony
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1ke
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The term “minister” is misused a lot.
The bishop, priest, and deacon are the **ministers **in the diocese and parish. Instituted acolytes and lectors, which are minor orders, are extraordinary ministers that assist. The term *minister *relates to those who perform the sacraments.
All the people who call themselves “ministers” of this and that are not *ministers *as the term is used in canon law.
The only person who excercises *pastoral care *in the parish is the priest or priests assisgned to is, and a deacon if delegated. Even if he cares for more than one parish. . That is why a person preparing for marriage must talk to their pastor, not “someone who answers the phone” in the office, when they need pastoral guidance on prior marriage bonds, canonical impediments to marriage, etc.
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buffalo
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Ministers are ordained.
Apostolates refer to all the others.
Apostolates refer to all the others.
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PJM
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Bishops, priest, deacons are the “Ordinary” Ministers of the parish.
DUE TO INDULT request: there can be [NOT HAVE TO BE] also temporary, appointed, blessed, trained Lay “ministers” [SMALL “m”] who may under certain circumstances assit the pastor in specified roles.NOTE:
“Extrodianry Ministers of the Eucharist” is NOT ONE of them
This Indult was granted for LIMITED and specified USE, NOT everyday, nearly every Mass, Everywhere! This has become so common that the term “ordianry ministers of the Eucharist” seems more accurate.
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stephraim
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Actually, the term “minister” is used in the Book of Blessings to describe a priest, deacon, or layman who is leading the blessing. The term is also used in the Ceremonial of Bishops to refer to altar servers (although the context seems to apply the term to deacons, MC’s, etc.).
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thomas_jd
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'God is the only Priest and the priests are his ministers." St. Thomas Auquinas
“lay ministers may be deputed to serve at the altar and assist the priest and deacon.”
G.I.R.M. # 100
That should cover this question, but we will see!
“lay ministers may be deputed to serve at the altar and assist the priest and deacon.”
G.I.R.M. # 100
That should cover this question, but we will see!
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MarkThompson
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The use of EMHCs is not by indult.Bishops, priest, deacons are the “Ordinary” Ministers of the parish.
DUE TO INDULT request: there can be [NOT HAVE TO BE] also temporary, appointed, blessed, trained Lay “ministers” [SMALL “m”] who may under certain circumstances assit the pastor in specified roles.NOTE:
“Extrodianry Ministers of the Eucharist” is NOT ONE of them
This Indult was granted for LIMITED and specified USE, NOT everyday, nearly every Mass, Everywhere! This has become so common that the term “ordianry ministers of the Eucharist” seems more accurate.
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1ke
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I did not use as much precision in my statement as I should have.
The priest is the minister of the Sacraments, either possessing it as the ordinary minister (as in the case of Baptism) or via delegation from the Bishop (such as Confirmation in some cases). And, while the couple is the minister of Matrimony in the Latin Rite, the priest is exercises the pastoral care over the preparation.
This original comment was split off another thread. Context:
A person with some very complex canon law issues relatd to marriage contacted the parish and “someone” who answered the phone told them they had no problem after a cursory conversation.
I pointed out that ‘someone’ who answers the phone is not *qualified *to tell them this and they needed to make an *appointment *with the priest and sit down and explain all the facts.
Another poster commented that yes, “someone” who answers the phone is qualified because they are a **minister **in the parish. Hence my comment that they are no such thing. The priest is the minister and the priest excercises the pastoral care of parishioners for the preparation of marriage.
The priest is the minister of the Sacraments, either possessing it as the ordinary minister (as in the case of Baptism) or via delegation from the Bishop (such as Confirmation in some cases). And, while the couple is the minister of Matrimony in the Latin Rite, the priest is exercises the pastoral care over the preparation.
This original comment was split off another thread. Context:
A person with some very complex canon law issues relatd to marriage contacted the parish and “someone” who answered the phone told them they had no problem after a cursory conversation.
I pointed out that ‘someone’ who answers the phone is not *qualified *to tell them this and they needed to make an *appointment *with the priest and sit down and explain all the facts.
Another poster commented that yes, “someone” who answers the phone is qualified because they are a **minister **in the parish. Hence my comment that they are no such thing. The priest is the minister and the priest excercises the pastoral care of parishioners for the preparation of marriage.
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1ke
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yes, they were minor orders. Now the term is instituted.
No. Instituted acolytes are extraordinary ministers:
Can. 910 §1. The ordinary minister of holy communion is a bishop, presbyter, or deacon.
§2. The **extraordinary minister of holy communion **is an acolyte or another member of the Christian faithful designated according to the norm of ⇒ can. 230, §3.
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PJM
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Hi MArk…
I didn’t know this. What then is the authorization?
I do know that*** Memoriale Domini*** addreses the issu of Comunion in the hand and it was voted down: 1,233 no votes to 597 yes votes.
I am further aware that in Cenam paschalem Number 242: say’s it IS at the descretion of th locL Ordinary and after due instruction, “THE FOLLOWING PERSONS MAY RECEIVE FROM THE CHALICE”
The follows 14 very specific times and circumstances.
Every day, nearly evey Mass an everyhwere is NOT listed. This is further supported by "Eucharisticum Mysterium number 32, which spcifis 13 highly specific applications; again not everyday, everywhere.
All three of the documts are eithr Conciliar or POAT-Conciliar documents of Vatican II.
My LIMITED understanding of the Authority of Vatican Pronouncements are binding [or ougt to be] on all?
God’s continued Blessings,
A Brother in Christ,
Pat
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MarkThompson
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An indult is permission granted to do something that would otherwise be forbidden by canon law. Here, canon law itself allows that laypersons may be deputed to distributed Holy Communion:
Canon 910 § 2: The extraordinary minister of holy communion is an acolyte, or another of Christ’s faithful deputed in accordance with can. 230 §3.
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Can. 230 § 3: Where the needs of the Church require and ministers are not available, lay people, even though they are not lectors or acolytes, can supply certain of their functions, that is, exercise the ministry of the word, preside over liturgical prayers, confer baptism and distribute Holy Communion, in accordance with the provisions of the law.
Accordingly, the use of EMHCs is “in accordance with the provisions of the law,” not contrary to them, and therefore does not require an indult.
Please note that the use of EMHCs is a totally different issue from the permission for Communion in the hand.
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PJM
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"Where the NEEDS [not bishops personal preferences] require it!
Can. 910 §1. The ordinary minister of holy communion is a bishop, presbyter, or deacon.
§2. The extraordinary minister of holy communion is an acolyte or another member of the Christian faithful designated according to the norm of ⇒ can. 230,
May God contimue to Bless you!
Pat
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The_Old_Medic
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I just love the way some people attempt to be so legalistic about their approach to the Church.
Rather reminds me of the Pharisees, that Jesus complained about so much. Some people get so caught up with the legalisms, that they miss the Church as a whole. They got caught up so much with the “rules”, that they forgot all about their obligations as Jews to help others, to provide a good example to others, etc.
“Ministers” are ordained persons. ministers without the capitalization, can refer to anyone, including married persons, single persons, Eucharistic ministers, etc. We ALL have some form of ministry, we are ALL called to the priesthood through Baptism and Confirmation.
Rather reminds me of the Pharisees, that Jesus complained about so much. Some people get so caught up with the legalisms, that they miss the Church as a whole. They got caught up so much with the “rules”, that they forgot all about their obligations as Jews to help others, to provide a good example to others, etc.
“Ministers” are ordained persons. ministers without the capitalization, can refer to anyone, including married persons, single persons, Eucharistic ministers, etc. We ALL have some form of ministry, we are ALL called to the priesthood through Baptism and Confirmation.
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PJM
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My dear friend in Christ,
By “some people” I’ll assume you mean me
Actually, I’m not.
What I am is an informed, practicing Roman Catholic who understands the history of change caused by the Bishops Sub-Committee, never approved by Rome and never presentd to the entire Body of Bishops for a vote. This document; Environment and Art in Catholic Worship was replaced a few years ago by*** “Built of Living Stones”***, whose working title was ***Domus Dei (God’s House) be ***
The shift in emphasis from GOD to Us is indicitive of what has taken over our Sacred Liturgy.
Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have and continue to try to correct the errors of the recent pass. While NOT trying to affix blame; I am very interested in assiting our Popes in making RIGHT, the multitude of errors an the wrongfull ship of emphasis from God and Scred Worship; to US vis we “ARE THEE Church.”
Actually, we are not; more correctly we ARE “The Church Militiant:thumbsup:”
God’s continued Blessings to all!
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paddy22
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I just love the way people accuse others of being Pharisees.
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