Splitting of the Sanctus

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What is the reason for singing half of the Sanctus before the canon and bursting in with the second half after the consecration during a Missa Cantata? The settings of the Sanctus are chant versions. There is no danger of the Sanctus lasting up until the consecration. Is this a traditional treatment of the Sanctus? Is it proper to continue this practice in the 1962 missal version of the Traditional Latin Mass?
 
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What is the reason for singing half of the Sanctus before the canon and bursting in with the second half after the consecration during a Missa Cantata? The settings of the Sanctus are chant versions. There is no danger of the Sanctus lasting up until the consecration. Is this a traditional treatment of the Sanctus? Is it proper to continue this practice in the 1962 missal version of the Traditional Latin Mass?
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I’ve never seen or heard of this. The whole Sanctus should be chanted immediately after the Preface, as that is where it is located in the Order of the Mass.
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What is the reason for singing half of the Sanctus before the canon and bursting in with the second half after the consecration during a Missa Cantata? The settings of the Sanctus are chant versions. There is no danger of the Sanctus lasting up until the consecration. Is this a traditional treatment of the Sanctus? Is it proper to continue this practice in the 1962 missal version of the Traditional Latin Mass?
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While I can’t point to anything authoritative, the general rule of thumb is that if the Sanctus is chanted in any form, it is not to be split. However, if it’s choral and elaborate (e.g. Beethoven, Mozart), it needs to be split because there could be absolutely no singing during the Consecration. That’s why you will frequently see the Sanctus and Benedictus qui venit as two separate movements in classical arrangements.
 
Yep, and they do this at my parish pretty often. But as said earlier, only with the more elaborate settings.
 
The schola I am in splits the Sanctus up if we do a polyphonic version, like Byrd’s Mass. We also do a Mission Mass that was written with the Sanctus and the Benedictus split up.
 
Just because some haven’t heard of this or seen it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

It’s actually very common.

As was said, if chanted, it’s all done straight through.

But some polyphonic or other composed settings are long, so it’s split. (The priest’s speaking of it is never split - that always follows the order of the Mass).

The reason for this was mentioned as well - no singing during the Consecration.
 
We split it for most polyphonic settings (not short ones, such as da Viadana’s Missa L’Hora Passa), never for chanted settings.

This is, and especially was, an extremely commonly done thing in TLM. It actually surprises me that some who call themselves traditionalists have never heard of it.
 
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Perhaps because its 120 miles each way to Mass. Locally we only have Mass once a month and its a low Mass. Just have never run into it before. But I now understand better.
 
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