Splitting the Roman Catholic Church

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Eleve said:
That quote from Peter was to me and not to Marsha, and I am a) not a she and b) not Catholic. It’s not something to admit; it’s just a simple fact that I have not received the Sacrament of Confirmation.
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:doh2: Sorry. That’s what happens when I ***ume too much.
 
Eleve said:
That quote from Peter was to me and not to Marsha, and I am a) not a she and b) not Catholic. It’s not something to admit; it’s just a simple fact that I have not received the Sacrament of Confirmation.
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bobzills said:
Abortion was outlawed in some of the Communist Eastern European countries before 1989.
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I have read that Russia is now “paying” women to have babies because the death rate is outpacing the rate of births.
 
Peter_J said:
Interesting. I seen a lot of Star Trek and also read a lot of Doyle’s short stories, but I’m embarrassed to say that I never realized that those two quotes aren’t real quotes.

I’m pretty sure I at least remember a crew member saying “Scotty, beam me up.”

I wonder if “Elementary, my dear Watson” originated from the old radio programs? Or maybe the old films, for that matter?
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I wish I knew the answer 🙂​

 
^^ BTW, I was sure that Dr. McCoy had said “Dammit, Jim! I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer!” and that Darth Vader had said “No, Luke, I am your father”, but wikipedia says no to both.
 
Peter_J said:
^^ BTW, I was sure that Dr. McCoy had said “Dammit, Jim! I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer!” and that Darth Vader had said “No, Luke, I am your father”, but wikipedia says no to both.
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He did say “I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer” in that episode called “Devil in the Dark” with the ‘Horta’ creature that was made of pure silicon. Trust me, big Trekkie geek here, 100% reliable in this area! LOL:p Wikipedia is wrong-o on that one.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
He did say “I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer” in that episode called “Devil in the Dark” with the ‘Horta’ creature that was made of pure silicon. Trust me, big Trekkie geek here, 100% reliable in this area! LOL:p Wikipedia is wrong-o on that one.
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Oh don’t worry, wiki isn’t denying that. Just the “dammit Jim” part.
 
Peter_J said:
^^ BTW, I was sure that Dr. McCoy had said “Dammit, Jim! I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer!” and that Darth Vader had said “No, Luke, I am your father”, but wikipedia says no to both.
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I thougth he did too. Wasn’t that the one, can’t remember the title, where McCoy had to plaster an injury up on a stone “being” who was injured during a cave in, or something? I love Start Trek.
 
elts1956 said:
I thougth he did too. Wasn’t that the one, can’t remember the title, where McCoy had to plaster an injury up on a stone “being” who was injured during a cave in, or something? I love Start Trek.
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Oh, geez. The train has derailed… :o
 
SpiritMeadow said:
It seems rather silly to debate the obvious. Go explain to Mike Huckabee who just the other evening said, “Nobody is “for abortion”. We all know that they are for a woman’s right to choose.”

You have zero basis for concluding that anybody’s conscience is pricked. If you do, by all means bring it forth.
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“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” - William Shakespeare (Hamlet)
 
elts1956 said:
I thougth he did too. Wasn’t that the one, can’t remember the title, where McCoy had to plaster an injury up on a stone “being” who was injured during a cave in, or something? I love Start Trek.
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Shoot, man, what’s NOT to love about the original show!? That’s why I won’t go see the new movie. It’s nothing but a CGI action “Matrix” brainless version of my beloved show! I’m a purist! Everyone is making fun of me for it calling me a fuddy duddy! LOL

And yes, now what we’re talking about Dr. McCoy, this thread is officially “muerto!” Damn it Jim, this thread is dead! I’m a doctor not a forum administrator!"
 
emeraldcoast said:
Gurney,

You speak like someone that voted for Barack…Oh, that is right you did…:eek:

God Bless!
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Hi Jane,

You have gotten on me so many times claiming I air your dirty laundry, thanks for not being hypocritical!

Yes, I indeed did vote for Barack. I put my union, my job, and my disgust for John McCain and that idiot Sarah Pailin over my conscience. I failed. If that’s what you’re hoping to hear, I hope you’re satisfied.

It has pained my conscience a great deal to know that I went against my conscience and voted for a pro-choice candidate and someone that is financially draining our country. I, as a result, am part of the problem. I will not make the same mistake twice next time. But at the same time, I hope he makes good decisions morally and he takes seriously what Pope Benedict said to him today about being prolife. You might want to listen to the pope as well and rethink the life issue. I hope you will pray for him and hope for the best instead of issuing “eeks.” And anyone who follows Katherine Jefforts-Schiori, a woman who calls abortion a blessing and who is so hostile to Christ, you should hardly be judging me…we both need forgiveness. I suppose we can agree on that, not much else:shrug:

And by the way, go Army, beat Navy!
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Hi Jane,

You have gotten on me so many times claiming I air your dirty laundry, thanks for not being hypocritical!

Yes, I indeed did vote for Barack. I put my union, my job, and my disgust for John McCain and that idiot Sarah Pailin over my conscience. I failed. If that’s what you’re hoping to hear, I hope you’re satisfied.

It has pained my conscience a great deal to know that I went against my conscience and voted for a pro-choice candidate and someone that is financially draining our country. I, as a result, am part of the problem. I will not make the same mistake twice next time. But at the same time, I hope he makes good decisions morally and he takes seriously what Pope Benedict said to him today about being prolife. You might want to listen to the pope as well and rethink the life issue. I hope you will pray for him and hope for the best instead of issuing “eeks.” And anyone who follows Katherine Jefforts-Schiori, a woman who calls abortion a blessing and who is so hostile to Christ, you should hardly be judging me…we both need forgiveness. I suppose we can agree on that, not much else:shrug:

And by the way, go Army, beat Navy!
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I have no interest in defending the gracious Katherine, generally. But, AFAIK, it was not she who said that of abortion; those are the words of the female in sacerdotal garments who is the Dean of the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, MA.

I would not be surprised to learn that the gracious Katherine held the same view (if she does), but I am not aware of it, as coming from her lips.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I have no interest in defending the gracious Katherine, generally. But, AFAIK, it was not she who said that of abortion; those are the words of the female in sacerdotal garments who is the Dean of the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, MA.

I would not be surprised to learn that the gracious Katherine held the same view (if she does), but I am not aware of it, as coming from her lips.

GKC
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Well I stand corrected. It was the dean; you’re correct. Wrong feminist, anti-orthodoxy ‘priestess.’ Don’t worry about us thinking you’re a Queen Katherine defender, GKC. Your reputation is solid with me. But I have heard her speak on abortion and she’s a staunch sympathizer and proponent of it.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Well I stand corrected. It was the dean; you’re correct. Wrong feminist, anti-orthodoxy ‘priestess.’ Don’t worry about us thinking you’re a Queen Katherine defender, GKC. Your reputation is solid with me. But I have heard her speak on abortion and she’s a staunch sympathizer and proponent of it.
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Of that I have no doubt.

You following TEC General Convention news?

GKC
 
GKC said:
Of that I have no doubt.

You following TEC General Convention news?

GKC
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You know what, I haven’t that much really. Just what’s on Virtue Online. That lady bishop’s comment about marriage was a bit humorous and the way she put it, oh brother…

virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10800

And of course the Lady Katherine comment about individual salvation being a heresy, that was laughable.

I haven’t really followed it except for those more high-profile comments. I find anything the TEC says or does is worthless, totally worthless. They’re not a legitimate denomination anymore in my opinion. They’re a liberal hippy club with liturgy and some stations of the cross, if even that…

I actually spoke with David Virtue about the new ACNA province and he’s REALLY fired up about it! He thinks women’s ordination won’t be a problem and that they’re trying to phase it out. He said he thinks Bishop Duncan will never ordain another woman ever. I was wondering about that speculation? Duncan seems pretty in the tank for the liberal position on W.O., laying “hands on hairspray,” so I’ve heard it put!😛
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Recently, say over the past few weeks, a couple of Roman Catholics have expressed the opinion that the American church will split. Clearly the majority of RC’s, if one believes polling, both by independents and the UCCB itself, most Catholics for instance voted for Obama, and support various liberal issues. They practice birth control at a very high rate, and so forth.

Additionally, a larger number of RC’s on this forum have publically said that they wished that Catholics who don’t agree with their views of dogma (which they of course claim is the Church’s) would leave the church, even if it meant a majority of the American church left, leaving a very small RCC in America.

My question is how could this happen?

It seems to me that generally speaking when a minority is dissatisfied with the majority and the manner in which they operate, it is the minority which leaves. It certainly can’t force out the majority I wouldn’t think.

When so many here think that most of their brethren are “poorly” catecized, have poor priests who come from liberal seminaries and Cathollc colleges and universities, where most religious women are thought poorly of as being “liberal” etc. I can’t figure out how the minority can leave the church either.

Clearly the ultra conservatives here wish to remain aligned with Rome, and they would never consider any alternative that I can think of. Yet how can they remove the majority from the Church?

Or do most Catholics conservative or otherwise disagree that the liberals should get out of town?

I’m just wondering what Catholics think on this issue, or if they think about it at all.

As an Episcopalian, we have such a strange set up, that minorities that are unhappy with the majority of their congregation, have alternatives that allow them to remain in the some sense Episcopalian or Anglican. I don’t see this alternative for the RCC.
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MEADOW,
ARE YOU SAYING THE SPLIT IS OVER BIRTH CONROL?
my PC IS NT WORKING RIGHT.

JEAN
 
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