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I am thinking about moving to Spokane, WA. I am trying to find a good orthodox, conservative catholic church. Does anyone have any recommendations? Is Spokane a good place to live?
 
I’d keep driving through Spokane to Post Falls or Coeur d’Alene, ID to the FSSP or SSPX both of which are only like 20-25 minutes from Spokane.
 
cyclonegrad07 said:
sorry, what does FSSP or SSPX mean? Thanks!
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These are groups that focus on the traditional Latin Mass. The abbreviations are from French, but the FSSP is the Priestly Society of St. Peter, and the SSPX is the Society of St. Pius X. Please be aware that the FSSP is a legitimate group in communion with the Catholic Church that is fully permitted to offer the sacraments, while the SSPX is a breakaway sect whose leader was excommunicated by John Paul II, is not in communion with the Church, and is forbidden to offer the sacraments or minister to the faithful. People also sometimes call the SSPX the “FSSPX,” making it even easier to confuse them with the FSSP. You can just remember to avoid the X – if you are a faithful Catholic, you should “X them off of your list,” as it were.
 
MarkThompson said:
These are groups that focus on the traditional Latin Mass. The abbreviations are from French, but the FSSP is the Priestly Society of St. Peter, and the SSPX is the Society of St. Pius X. Please be aware that the FSSP is a legitimate group in communion with the Catholic Church that is fully permitted to offer the sacraments, while the SSPX is a breakaway sect whose leader was excommunicated by John Paul II, is not in communion with the Church, and is forbidden to offer the sacraments or minister to the faithful. People also sometimes call the SSPX the “FSSPX,” making it even easier to confuse them with the FSSP. You can just remember to avoid the X – if you are a faithful Catholic, you should “X them off of your list,” as it were.
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Yep!
I must correct you (forgive me, I’m scrupulous :p), the abbreviations are from Latin, not French ;), though I could be mistaken, the abbreviations in French could be the same as the Latin ones :).

I do not live in Spokane, or the States, but be careful. In Spokane, there is a place called Mt. Saint Michael’s. Upon which there is a society called the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen. They say they’re Roman Catholic, but they’re actually a heretical, sede-vacantist (believe that the current Pope is not the true one, and that the Papal seat is vacant, which is not true) break-away. They are even worse than the SSPX, because the SSPX is on their way to communion. They are having meetings with the Pope. And then, some people may argue that the SSPX is not schismatic, but to tell the truth, they are.
Also be careful of “Our Lady of Guadaloupe ‘Roman Catholic’ Church”. They’re not in communion either.

God Bless! I say go with the FSSP!!! Though, it’s up to thou :). Don’t bash the SSPX’ers, though, they have good intentions…

God Bless!
 
Cardinal Ratzinger on the SSPX
From the examination of the case… it did not result that the facts referred to in the above-mentioned decree, are formal schismatic acts in the strict sense, as they do not constitute the offense of schism; and therefore the Congregation holds that the decree of May 1, 1991, lacks foundation and hence validity." (June 28, 1993) Cardinal Ratzinger
So, they’re not necessarily schismatic. Silly me!
God Bless. I hope you find yourself a great Parish…
Another suggestion, would be to attend the Cathedral!
 
LoyalViews said:
Cardinal Ratzinger on the SSPX
From the examination of the case… it did not result that the facts referred to in the above-mentioned decree, are formal schismatic acts in the strict sense, as they do not constitute the offense of schism; and therefore the Congregation holds that the decree of May 1, 1991, lacks foundation and hence validity." (June 28, 1993) Cardinal Ratzinger
So, they’re not necessarily schismatic. Silly me!
God Bless. I hope you find yourself a great Parish…
Another suggestion, would be to attend the Cathedral!
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Not silly, simply ill-informed. The above that you quote doesn’t apply to the SSPX’s actions in the Archbishop’s consecration of bishops (which is clearly schismtic, in canon law), it applies to one particular person who attended the SSPX.

*Eccesia Dei, *promulgated by Pope John Paul II, clearly warns the laity against association with the Society, as it could lead to them “imbibing” a schismatic attitude.
The Society itself may not be in FORMAL schism, but the warning still stands. Also, their priests possess no faculties, so every sacramental act they undertake is illicit.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Not silly, simply ill-informed. The above that you quote doesn’t apply to the SSPX’s actions in the Archbishop’s consecration of bishops (which is clearly schismtic, in canon law), it applies to one particular person who attended the SSPX.

*Eccesia Dei, *promulgated by Pope John Paul II, clearly warns the laity against association with the Society, as it could lead to them “imbibing” a schismatic attitude.
The Society itself may not be in FORMAL schism, but the warning still stands. Also, their priests possess no faculties, so every sacramental act they undertake is illicit.
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Exactly! 🙂
Though, we must try not to go off topic (It would be my fault), because there are tons of other threads to discuss the SSPX and their non-schism. This is just about traditional Churches in Spokane 🙂
God Bless :signofcross::byzsoc:
 
Fraternity of Saint Peter

House of St. Joan of Arc (diocese: Boise)
723 N. 11th Street
Cœur d’Alene ID 83814
Tel. +1 208 660 6036
joan-arc.org/

Society of Saint Pius X
Immaculate Conception Church
495 Lincoln Street
Post Falls, ID
208-773-7442

A few points of clarification, via the links below, since there are many here on the forums who continue to smear the SSPX despite the Pope having lifted the excommunications and the Vatican continually stating that people can go to Mass at SSPX Chapels.

renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/080711
renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/070410

You’re far more likely to encounter a schismatic Priest or schismatic mentality in the local Diocesan Parishes then you are in the SSPX. In either case if someone is not comfortable going to SSPX the FSSP in Coeur d’Alene has a very well known Priest; Fr. Chad Rippberger whose sermons can be listened to here:

sensustraditionis.org/multimedia.html
 
And to add to some very interesting statements; I do believe that there is a weekly EF Mass at St. Charles Borromeao(sp?) in spokane. I used to live about 50 miles north of there back in the 70’s - 80’s.

The CMRI that was referred to earlier used to be known as the “Shukarite’s”. Seems a “bishop” Shukar used to head up the group. He later seems to have dropped out of sight. The Nuns from the CMRI are really great Nuns. Unfortunately they are Sedevacantists. A couple of years ago a small group of the CMRI Nuns were accepted back into the church and are assiting the local Bishop at the Retreat Center. They are known as the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church. They have appeared on EWTN to tell their story of re-conversion. Its a very heart-warming story.
 
cyclonegrad07 said:
I am thinking about moving to Spokane, WA. I am trying to find a good orthodox, conservative catholic church. Does anyone have any recommendations? Is Spokane a good place to live?
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Are you looking for a diocesan parish or would you attend a parish that is not operating with the permission and does not have the blessing of the Roman Catholic bishop of the Spokane diocese? Your answer to this would assist in directing your search.

Spokane really has it all. There is a thriving SSPX parish just over the border in Post Falls Idaho. Spokane is the base since the late 60s of the sedevacantist group CMRI. There all also splinter groups from the CMRI that are operating in the area. There is also the FSSP. Spokane is also the seat of the Roman Catholic diocese that encompasses most of eastern Washington. Due to the Jesuit influence of Father DeSmet and Father Cataldo both in nearby Couer d’Alene Idaho and locally at Gonzaga Unitversity, there are many Roman Catholic schools and parishes in Spokane. There is also a large seminary in Spokane in addition to several religious communities for sisters. Several of the Roman Catholic parishes offer for the OF and the EF of the mass every Sunday. I would say the parish I attend is full of good, orthodox Catholics led by a good, orthodox Roman Catholic priest. There are some bad peple in the parish I am sure but every since they stopped making people wear red letters I have had a hard time telling who is who. I can say that no one in the parish has been declared a schismatic or a heretic by the church so if you don’t like controversy…

As far as jobs, the health field is big. Spokane is also the retail hub for what uesed to be called te Inland Northwest so it has just about everything a city of about 200,000 would have with about another 200,000 people in the outlying area. Housing prices are relatively inexpensive and there are lots of lakes, rivers, and mountains around although since Spokane is only about 20 miles from the Idaho border there the cities of Couer d’Alene Idaho and Post Falls Idaho that are a lot smaller and growing quickly. Eastern Washington is very arid whereas northern Idaho is more mountainous and considerably greener. It snows here in the winter and gets hot in the summer.
 
corsair said:
. . . A couple of years ago a small group of the CMRI Nuns were accepted back into the church and are assiting the local Bishop at the Retreat Center. They are known as the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church. They have appeared on EWTN to tell their story of re-conversion. Its a very heart-warming story.
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Actually, that retreat center was where my wife and I did our pre-marriage retreat. It’s always nice to see Nuns in full habit.

I’m not sure about Spokane itself, but, as others have said, there is an FSSP chapel just a few miles away in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho (led by Fr. Chad Ripperger, who is quite well known in traditional circles). If you lean SSPX, they have quite a large church in Post Falls (there’s tons of threads on here about their status - no question about the FSSP, though - FSSP is 100% legit).

Our pastor once said that Eastern Washington and North Idaho has one of the largest concentrations of traditionalist Catholics in the country, so there are quite a few options - in addition to the CMRI I believe there are a couple other sedevacantist groups around the area, but, of course, you’re best to steer clear of them.
 
Thank you so much for your help! I guess I opened a can of worms and I didn’t even know it! I had never realized there was such a thing as FSSP and SSPX! I am definately looking for an FSSP church.

Do either of you recommend a specific FSSP parish in Spokane? I called and talked to someone at the Cathedral of our Lady of Lourdes. It seemed to be a good solid orthodox parish. There seems to be a lot of involvement with retreats and Bible Studies etc. She mentioned that there is a “retreat house” that I beleive is for a number of parishes and they hold various retreats there throughout the year. That sounds great!

I am debating between living in possibly Billings or Bozeman Mt, or Spokane. I can live anywhere in the PNW and I just want to find a great community with a strong conservative parish. I don’t want to live in a big city like seattle or Portland so I am trying to weigh my options on small communities! Any further (name removed by moderator)ut you can provide would be appreciated!
 
corsair said:
And to add to some very interesting statements; I do believe that there is a weekly EF Mass at St. Charles Borromeao(sp?) in spokane. I used to live about 50 miles north of there back in the 70’s - 80’s.

The CMRI that was referred to earlier used to be known as the “Shukarite’s”. Seems a “bishop” Shukar used to head up the group. He later seems to have dropped out of sight. The Nuns from the CMRI are really great Nuns. Unfortunately they are Sedevacantists. A couple of years ago a small group of the CMRI Nuns were accepted back into the church and are assiting the local Bishop at the Retreat Center. They are known as the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church. They have appeared on EWTN to tell their story of re-conversion. Its a very heart-warming story.
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The last name is spelled ‘Schuckhardt’-but you were pretty close!

Francis Schuckhardt was the ‘founder’ of the CMRI in the 1970s. He had himself consecrated as a ‘Bishop’-I forgot by whom. He had been very active in the Fatima Apostolate [Blue Army] and was named ‘Crusader of the Year’. But he broke away from the Blue Army and went to Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, where he founded the CMRIs. I used to get their magazine in the late 1970s, and I remember in 1980, right after my first visit to Fatima, I went to a TLM said by a CMRI priest in a hotel in my hometown. I didn’t like the way he bad-mouthed Pope John Paul II, though. :mad:

‘Bishop’ Schuckhardt was kicked out of the CMRIs in the 1980s because of sexual abuse allegations. Don’t know where he is now, or even if he’s still alive. I remember, too, that I ordered audio tapes through their magazine; he had a very loud voice!

And I know about the former CMRI Sisters who left Mount St. Michael’s and are now called ‘Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church’. I saw their appearance on EWTN’s ‘Life on the Rock’ program-very heartwarming, indeed.
 
my sister lives in seattle and says if you have children Spokane is not a great place to live. my husband and i are thinking about moving to washington, colorado or alaska. sooooo she gave me a few a suggestions and olympia is highly recommended. she said she is even thinking about moving there too after her daughter and son are out of school and in college. she said the schools and churches are wonderful as well as the people.
 
reaganjn said:
my sister lives in seattle and says if you have children Spokane is not a great place to live. my husband and i are thinking about moving to washington, colorado or alaska. sooooo she gave me a few a suggestions and olympia is highly recommended. she said she is even thinking about moving there too after her daughter and son are out of school and in college. she said the schools and churches are wonderful as well as the people.
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Did you sister explain why? I do not have any children but that concerns me. Is there any specific reason why?
 
she said i think high crime rate and party town…of course we talked about other cities…so i could be getting cities mixed up and i apologize in advance if i am. but im 90% sure this is correct information. she said olympia wa is better for jobs, schools etc.
 
reaganjn said:
she said i think high crime rate and party town…of course we talked about other cities…so i could be getting cities mixed up and i apologize in advance if i am. but im 90% sure this is correct information. she said olympia wa is better for jobs, schools etc.
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The whole East side is tough on kids. I grew up on the east side; limited stuff to do. Olympia really is lovely.
 
Spokane is a college town, they always have their problems, plus they have nasty winters. Stay west of the mtns. its much nicer here.
 
rainalaska said:
Spokane is a college town, they always have their problems, plus they have nasty winters. Stay west of the mtns. its much nicer here.
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Pullman is a college town about 70 miles south of Spokane and it is the epitome of a college town since the student body comprises a large, transient portion of the population. Spokane on the other hand has only 2 small private universities and I have not heard anyone call it a college town. Equally, people who live in Spokane consider it a good place to raise kids. There is definitely an “east-side” versus “west-side” bias in the state since the majority of the population lives on the west side around the Puget Sound. The west side tends to vote more progressively and tends to support democrats whereas the east side tends to go republican. Some east siders seem to have an inferiority complex but they tend not to realize it as such.
 
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