Spontaneous abortion

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I read that 50% of fertilised eggs are spontaneously aborted, and 15-20% lost in pregnancy.

Yet I read on here that all human beings get a soul when the egg is fertilised? What happens to these souls?
 
Because there is pain and suffering in this world does not mean that God has a limit to His mercy.
 
Dave_B said:
Surely God’s mercy has to have a limit, otherwise he would stop miscarriage and all the unnecessary innocent suffering that goes with it.
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Really? How do you know what is necessary and what isn’t? You are judging God by human standards and that is never a good idea. His love and mercy is indeed limitless.

Peace

Tim

ps - My wife and I suffered through 3 miscarriages, so I do know what that is like.
 
And death is not necessarily an enemy…it opens the door to heaven.

We don’t always think the way God thinks. And we don’t always know that God looks at the big picture and knows what needed to be done to save all that will be willing to accept Him.

Sometimes suffering brings this about. It’s very useful in teaching and for spiritual growth ( i know this from experience).

Misscarriages, death, pain and suffering are not god’s inventions…they are evil’s inventions. HOWEVER it’s in Gods mercy that He is able to bring good out of the bad!

Look at the worst evil: the murder of Gods innocent son! Look at the good it has brought to the world!

When we accept our pains and sufferings and offer them to God. …they can bring about marvolus healing and gifts! To those that dont have their hearts compassed toward God…sometimes the suffering brings them to god (or at least gets them questioning like you) .

So in a sense…permitting suffering is a great mercy of God.

And He brought it about my transforming our failings…without Gods mercy…our sufferings in this world would be empty…now they can bring salvation.

GOd bless

ps. this is an age old question. and it’s a good onel lol
 
MichaelHowling said:
And death is not necessarily an enemy…it opens the door to heaven.
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Amen to that
MichaelHowling said:
We don’t always think the way God thinks. And we don’t always know that God looks at the big picture and knows what needed to be done to save all that will be willing to accept Him.

Sometimes suffering brings this about. It’s very useful in teaching and for spiritual growth ( i know this from experience).
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me, too.
MichaelHowling said:
Misscarriages, death, pain and suffering are not god’s inventions…they are **evil’s inventions. ** HOWEVER it’s in Gods mercy that He is able to bring good out of the bad!
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Could you explain this further? Evil how? This is sensitive enough without adding evil into the same thought and memory of losing my child. I am sure there is an understanding explanation, though.
MichaelHowling said:
Look at the worst evil: the murder of Gods innocent son! Look at the good it has brought to the world!

When we accept our pains and sufferings and offer them to God. …they can bring about marvolus healing and gifts! To those that dont have their hearts compassed toward God…sometimes the suffering brings them to god (or at least gets them questioning like you)

So in a sense…permitting suffering is a great mercy of God.
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MichaelHowling said:
And He brought it about my transforming our failings…without Gods mercy…our sufferings in this world would be empty…now they can bring salvation.
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As for giving God human qualities, it is difficult not to do so. How else can we think sometimes. Or rationalize. I mean, in a good way. I have faith as to where my child is, as well as my mother; in my human quality sort of way, I have had dreams and thoughts that my mother is playing with her grandson “up there.” Not logical, because I lost him (we don’t even know when; it went undetected for many months) probably at several weeks.So who is my mom playing with? I envision, in my human way, a toddler with the same hair color as my mom when she was a child. Spiritually, logically, I wonder why. How else can I wonder but as a human? That’s all I am here.

P.S. I really enjoy your posts.
 
Dave_B said:
I read that 50% of fertilised eggs are spontaneously aborted, and 15-20% lost in pregnancy.

Yet I read on here that all human beings get a soul when the egg is fertilised? What happens to these souls?
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Why are you calling a miscarriage a “spontaneous abortion?”
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Why are you calling a miscarriage a “spontaneous abortion?”
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I believe at one time that was acceptable medical terminology. Not used (correction=by non professionals) now for obvious current conotations…“incomplete abortion” was acceptable as well.
 
Thanks CHeezy.

I have to correct myself…miscarriage is NOT in and of itself evil…it is usualy from a natural and neutral reason ( however all of the pain, suffering and …i’ll call it “misfortunes” such as miscarriage are directly a result of humans fall from grace in the garden of eden that has left ALL mankind with a wounded nature and fallen world that is prone to pain.

We can use a term like mercy because CHrist who is the revelation of God to us is obviously merciful

We also find God in the old testament testifying that he is a God of mercy himself often
Exodus 34:6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Why are you calling a miscarriage a “spontaneous abortion?”
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Actually, “spontaneous abortion” is the medically correct term for a miscarriage. “Induced abortion” refers to procedures undertaken to produce an abortion. You will not find the term “miscarriage” on a patient’s chart under the diagnosis section, because it is a layman’s term.

Here are some other terms which refer to “spontaneous abortion:”

“Threatened abortion”—the woman is experiencing labor-like cramping and bleeding after pregnancy has been confirmed. Sometimes this is treatable, and the woman may go on to deliver a healthy baby. Or not.

“Incomplete abortion”—the baby is dead, but either the baby, the placenta, or other “products of conception” have not been expelled. Untreated, an incomplete spontaneous abortion generally leads to serious maternal infection, which can cause anything from uterine or tubal scarring to systemic sepsis.

“Completed abortion”—the baby is dead, the placenta, amniotic sac, and other “products of conception” have been expelled. This is relatively easy for the obstetrician to confirm during the delivery of the uterine contents in the delivery room.

Please don’t make the mistake of assuming that the term abortion is limited to induced abortion, which is of course a mortal sin: Very frequently, in fact most times, women who have experienced a spontaneous abortion wanted that baby very, very much. Having gone through this three times myself, I understand the heartbreak involved. Either some sort of defect incompatible with life occurred, the mother was ill or injured, or for reasons unknown to us, it just wasn’t God’s will at that time. But their little souls are enfolded in His loving care.
 
Dave_B said:
Surely God’s mercy has to have a limit, otherwise he would stop miscarriage and all the unnecessary innocent suffering that goes with it.
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Why do you think these things are a sign of mercilessness? Maybe God takes their life at that moment because that’s the only way He can assure their salvation.
 
MichaelHowling said:
**a natural and neutral reason **
Exodus 34:6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,
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Hmmm. an accurate and concise way to put it. Thank you.
As for the quote:
:amen:
 
Dave_B said:
I read that 50% of fertilised eggs are spontaneously aborted, and 15-20% lost in pregnancy.

Yet I read on here that all human beings get a soul when the egg is fertilised? What happens to these souls?
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I read that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I have never seen an actual study cited for the rate of non-implantation (spontaneous abortion is something else entirely). They just keep repeating to to make it “common knowledge”. The statistic fails to explain the number of families in past generations who bore children into the double digits.

While the sample size is small, I can affirm a 100% implantation rate, 33% miscarriage rate and 0% spontaneous abortion rate in my family.

It would be interesting to gather a full statistic from NFP practicing families.
 
SonCatcher said:
The statistic fails to explain the number of families in past generations who bore children into the double digits.

While the sample size is small, I can affirm a 100% implantation rate, 33% miscarriage rate and 0% spontaneous abortion rate in my family.
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I certainly don’t have the reasons, either, but one guess is the multitude of differences since those days. From women who were far less likely to say “no” and far less contraceptive use/options, to far less hormones/chemicals being found in the waters then. Men were probably more fertile then as well, from the ‘cleaner’ water. I am just guessing…

And remember from post #12: “spontaneous abortion” is the medically correct term for a miscarriage.
 
cheezey said:
I certainly don’t have the reasons, either, but one guess is the multitude of differences since those days. From women who were far less likely to say “no” and far less contraceptive use/options, to far less hormones/chemicals being found in the waters then. Men were probably more fertile then as well, from the ‘cleaner’ water. I am just guessing…

And remember from post #12: “spontaneous abortion” is the medically correct term for a miscarriage.
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Actually, it is the medically correct term for a miscarriage after 20 weeks. Before the 20[sup]th[/sup] week of pregnancy, the correct term is “miscarriage.”

We lost one at the 4th week of gestation and never lost any after 20 weeks. Therefore, my small sample is correctly stated.
 
SonCatcher said:
Actually, it is the medically correct term for a miscarriage after 20 weeks. Before the 20[sup]th[/sup] week of pregnancy, the correct term is “miscarriage.”

We lost one at the 4th week of gestation and never lost any after 20 weeks. Therefore, my small sample is correctly stated.
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Duly noted.
 
Read “Heaven is For Real”. The boy who went to heaven saw and recognized his sister who was miscarried.
 
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