Spot the Catholic Cathedral(s)

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Brassring said:
A few things:

(1) When you say “Anglican & Protestant” you’re being needlessly redundant,
(2) the word “requisite” means “necessary” so yes, I guess you were, and
(3) protestants have some valid sacraments (namely baptism and matrimony), but not THE Blessed Sacrament. For that, you’d need valid Holy Orders, with Apostolic Succession.

But, the good news is, all the valid sacraments can be yours for the low price of RCIA and confirmation. 😃
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As I suspected :yup:
  1. Not really. Anglicans are both Catholic and Protestant (the Via Media as it were) between Catholicism and Reformed Churches such as Lutheranism. So noting the distinction is hardly redundant (though I can see how a Catholic might see it as such).
  2. As I said, requisite. A thread doesn’t go by where Anglicans or Protestants are involved where someone out of the blue will respond as you do (even though posters like Compline and myself have heard it dozens if not hundreds of times before at this point 😉 ). But as a Catholic it’s not wrong of you to reiterate the point, as it would be the proper Catholic view of it.
  3. As Compline stated, we do have the Blessed Sacrament in our churches, even if the RCC states otherwise. Since we’re not under the authority of the Bishop of Rome his opinion on the matter, matters not.
As for RCIA… it would be redundant in my case seeing as I’ve already had the Catholic sacraments of initiation. Having likely been latae sententia excommunicated I’d have to go to confession and possibly obtain the remission of the excommunication from my bishop, if he hasn’t delegated that faculty to his priests. 🤷
 
Padres1969 said:
As I suspected :yup:
  1. Not really. Anglicans are both Catholic and Protestant (the Via Media as it were) between Catholicism and Reformed Churches such as Lutheranism. So noting the distinction is hardly redundant (though I can see how a Catholic might see it as such).
  2. As I said, requisite. A thread doesn’t go by where Anglicans or Protestants are involved where someone out of the blue will respond as you do (even though posters like Compline and myself have heard it dozens if not hundreds of times before at this point 😉 ). But as a Catholic it’s not wrong of you to reiterate the point, as it would be the proper Catholic view of it.
**3) As Compline stated, we do have the Blessed Sacrament in our churches, even if the RCC states otherwise. Since we’re not under the authority of the Bishop of Rome his opinion on the matter, matters not. **

As for RCIA… it would be redundant in my case seeing as I’ve already had the Catholic sacraments of initiation. Having likely been latae sententia excommunicated I’d have to go to confession and possibly obtain the remission of the excommunication from my bishop, if he hasn’t delegated that faculty to his priests. 🤷
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A professing Christian who claims they aren’t under the authority of the Bishop of Rome is like a “Sovereign Citizen” who claims they aren’t under the authority of the U.S. Government. Claiming it doesn’t make it so, and it won’t keep them out of prison for breaking laws they claim not to be subject to.

And no, both Catholic and protestant isn’t a real thing, in the sense you’re referring to.

Me calling a cracker beef Wellington doesn’t make it beef Wellington, any more than an Anglican minister calling a cracker the Blessed Sacrament makes it the Blessed Sacrament. I’m just as much a priest as they are, and I’m an accountant.
 
Brassring said:
A professing Christian who claims they aren’t under the authority of the Bishop of Rome is like a “Sovereign Citizen” who claims they aren’t under the authority of the U.S. Government. Claiming it doesn’t make it so, and it won’t keep them out of prison for breaking laws they claim not to be subject to.

And no, both Catholic and protestant isn’t a real thing, in the sense you’re referring to.

Me calling a cracker beef Wellington doesn’t make it beef Wellington, any more than an Anglican minister calling a cracker the Blessed Sacrament makes it the Blessed Sacrament. I’m just as much a priest as they are, and I’m an accountant.
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No, more like a “Citizen of the World” and US Citizen moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian Citizen and renouncing their US Citizenship. Or having been born in Canada and not having ever been a US Citizen subject to the US government in the first place.

As for your second part, there’s no sense in arguing the point on the validity of non-Catholic Blessed Sacrament, because you are obligated to hold the Catholic position and I of course will hold the opposite and we will not convince each other any differently. Catholics hold the view per Pope Leo that Anglican orders and by extension their confection of the Eucharist are invalid, Anglicans don’t recognize Pope Leo’s, or any other Pope’s, authority to determine such matters, and our bishops have even argued against Pope Leo directly on his reasoning continuing to believe we do have valid Eucharist. Functionally it becomes one of those “agree to disagree” moments 😉
 
Padres1969 said:
**No, more like a “Citizen of the World” and US Citizen moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian Citizen and renouncing their US Citizenship. Or having been born in Canada and not having ever been a US Citizen subject to the US government in the first place. **

As for your second part, there’s no sense in arguing the point on the validity of non-Catholic Blessed Sacrament, because you are obligated to hold the Catholic position and I of course will hold the opposite and we will not convince each other any differently. Catholics hold the view per Pope Leo that Anglican orders and by extension their confection of the Eucharist are invalid, Anglicans don’t recognize Pope Leo’s, or any other Pope’s, authority to determine such matters, and our bishops have even argued against Pope Leo directly on his reasoning continuing to believe we do have valid Eucharist. Functionally it becomes one of those “agree to disagree” moments 😉
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This can only be true if you believe God ordained more than one Church. That’s a foolish assumption, because it denies the immutable nature of God. But, being wrong isn’t a new thing for protestants, and theological reason is inconsistent with the pride and self-determinism endemic of protestantism.

I’ll leave you with this: THE Church was founded on the self-sacrifice of God Himself, while the Anglican “church” was founded on the self-centeredness of a licentious and sinful king. A rotten root can’t grow into a fruitful vine.
 
Brassring said:
This can only be true if you believe God ordained more than one Church. That’s a foolish assumption, because it denies the immutable nature of God. But, being wrong isn’t a new thing for protestants, and theological reason is inconsistent with the pride and self-determinism endemic of protestantism.

I’ll leave you with this: THE Church was founded on the self-sacrifice of God Himself, while the Anglican “church” was founded on the self-centeredness of a licentious and sinful king. A rotten root can’t grow into a fruitful vine.
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On this we can agree… However I highly suspect we disagree as to what Christ’s “One Church” truly is. With you of course holding the Catholic view that the Roman Church is the one true church, Protestants and Anglicans believing that Christ’s Universal Church is bigger than one single denomination.
 
Brassring said:
This can only be true if you believe God ordained more than one Church. That’s a foolish assumption, because it denies the immutable nature of God. But, being wrong isn’t a new thing for protestants, and theological reason is inconsistent with the pride and self-determinism endemic of protestantism.

I’ll leave you with this: THE Church was founded on the self-sacrifice of God Himself, while the Anglican “church” was founded on the self-centeredness of a licentious and sinful king. A rotten root can’t grow into a fruitful vine.
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Perhaps we can agree to disagree and end this sidetrack to Padres’ fun thread. As he mentioned earlier, the subject has been discussed at great length and with a bit more charity in other places. Maybe you could read through those posts, (especially GKC’s vast knowledge of the English break with Rome), as well as the rules for dialogue in Non-Catholic Religions.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Perhaps we can agree to disagree and end this sidetrack to Padres’ fun thread. As he mentioned earlier, the subject has been discussed at great length and with a bit more charity in other places. Maybe you could read through those posts, (especially GKC’s vast knowledge of the English break with Rome), as well as the rules for dialogue in Non-Catholic Religions.
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I’ve not been uncharitable. On the contrary, instructing the ignorant is the first spiritual work of mercy. I know I can’t change your mind. My statements are for the passive readers who may still be looking for truth. Also, to be fair, I’m not on Protestant Answers Forums asserting Truth, I wouldn’t be that presumptuous. You’re on Catholic Answers Forums asserting falsehood.
 
Brassring said:
I’ve not been uncharitable. On the contrary, instructing the ignorant is the first spiritual work of mercy. I know I can’t change your mind. My statements are for the passive readers who may still be looking for truth. Also, to be fair, I’m not on Protestant Answers Forums asserting Truth, I wouldn’t be that presumptuous. You’re on Catholic Answers Forums asserting falsehood.
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Of course that implies that we’re ignorant of Catholic teaching… Which I can assure you people like myself, Compline and GKC are not ;).

But anyway back to the thread topic… anyone up for another round?
 
Round 2!

Spot the Catholic Cathedrals… And remember, just list the numbers you think are Catholic. Don’t give away the name/affiliation of a Cathedral if you happen to recognize it.
  1. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Canterbury_Cathedral_Nave_2,_Kent,_UK_-Diliff.jpg/1024px-Canterbury_Cathedral_Nave_2%2C_Kent%2C_UK-_Diliff.jpg
  2. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Phoenix_-Saint_Stephen_Byzantine_Catholic_Cathedral-6.jpg/1024px-Phoenix-Saint_Stephen_Byzantine_Catholic_Cathedral-_6.jpg
  3. https://flic.kr/p/6Nr8G9
  4. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Tucson_-Cath%C3%A9drale_Saint-Augustin-11.jpg/1024px-Tucson-Cath%C3%A9drale_Saint-Augustin-_11.jpg
  5. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Phoenix_-Cath%C3%A9drale_Saints-Simon-et-Jude-4.jpg/1024px-Phoenix-Cath%C3%A9drale_Saints-Simon-et-Jude-_4.jpg
  6. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vdpWFKARuIM/UDUzCMRTGlI/AAAAAAAABbQ/enn7in3lHzc/s600/IMG_1794.JPG
  7. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gAYwfR-vqhE/UF5gH5OMKTI/AAAAAAAAGAk/aba2rWJMFb0/s1600/IMG_1938.JPG
  8. https://chugachpeaks.smugmug.com/Weddings/Anchorage/Miskill-Sandone-Holy-Family/i-3KHR2Bk/0/4dd13b0e/XL/Miskill'Sandone-0985-XL.jpg
 
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