Spying or Responsible Parenting?

[Acolyte]

Exactly: everyone knows that lesbianism is caused by bicycles

I am glad that you are taking so much delight in this what is a very serious matter especially for so many concerned parents. I would like to invite you to visit the Courage/Encourage site and perhaps consider joining the group and get in touch with the people who have been affected by their loved ones’ SSA and the resultant effects that has had on the families involved. I guarantee you that not one of these parents would find much humor in this.

It would be folly to dismiss the influence of others currently promoting the ‘lifestyle’ has had on these folks’ children. Whether they be encountered online or in person, the reality is that this influence is real, does and has divided families. To the extent that we can minimize or eradicate this influence either by filtering online content or by remaining emotionally available to our children, we should.

 

[mommy_k]

It’s like handing your child a wonderful book that unfortunately has an explicit pornographic chapter in it, and not removing that section which has nothing to do with the story.
Yet trusting that you children dont peek…makes no sense.

Some parents would not even give them the book.

And some would discuss how not to go to that section and leave the pages there…as well as the temptation, and peaking curiousity.

Personally, I would rip out that chapter, before I gave it to them.

 

[Acolyte]

That is utter nonsense. Helping you child reach maturity is important, of course. Yet legal age is paramount to legal rights, including privacy rights and the right to move out of a parent’s home.

An interesting note. You’ve admitted that you are not heterosexual. My friend’s daughter also took issue with Dr. Ray. From what I understand, before she ran away she made a point to discard her parent’s Dr. Ray books in front of her siblings and announce to them that this psychologist was full of B.S.

I cannot begin to tell you the damage that act did in terms of the relationship the children now have with their parents. The family is now in counseling in order to help restore trust.

So, yes. I guess that if this is what the LGBT movement is all about, I find it appalling…

 

[Acolyte]

Anyway-- first point, don’t drag millennials into this. The very youngest millenials are now adults themselves. Not to assume anything about the grammatical prowess of the average Tumblr user, the person who wrote this doesn’t strike me as millennial.

Except that I personally know the individual who made the post I started this thread with. Yes, a millennial.

That being said, I’m going to be THE BIGGEST CREEPER until they’ve graduated from high school.

Common sense prevails.

 

[EasterJoy]

I am glad that you are taking so much delight in this what is a very serious matter especially for so many concerned parents. I would like to invite you to visit the Courage/Encourage site and perhaps consider joining the group and get in touch with the people who have been affected by their loved ones’ SSA and the resultant effects that has had on the families involved. I guarantee you that not one of these parents would find much humor in this.

It would be folly to dismiss the influence of others currently promoting the ‘lifestyle’ has had on these folks’ children. Whether they be encountered online or in person, the reality is that this influence is real, does and has divided families. To the extent that we can minimize or eradicate this influence either by filtering online content or by remaining emotionally available to our children, we should.

There are people who are born with an attraction to their own sex, who have even wished they COULD be attracted to the opposite sex, but in vain. That is undeniable. There are also confused people who are deceived into experimenting with an alternative sexual orientation just as they are deceived into trying to find happiness, contentment or even just relief from their emotional misery through chemical intoxication, greedy self-indulgence, fornication, adultery or other violations of moral law.

Those going through a miserable or confusing adolescence are particularly vulnerable. As one earlier poster pointed out, there is no substitute for addressing the source of their misery, loneliness or confusion. That doesn’t make it less sensible to keep them away from temptations to which they are particularly vulnerable because of the stage of life they’re in. A person who might become an addict during a miserable stretch of their teen years might never again be in such danger, no matter how much access they have to alcohol or drugs later in life when they have reached a state of happiness and contented adjustment to the vicissitudes of life.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

I am glad that you are taking so much delight in this what is a very serious matter especially for so many concerned parents. I would like to invite you to visit the Courage/Encourage site and perhaps consider joining the group and get in touch with the people who have been affected by their loved ones’ SSA and the resultant effects that has had on the families involved. I guarantee you that not one of these parents would find much humor in this.

It would be folly to dismiss the influence of others currently promoting the ‘lifestyle’ has had on these folks’ children. Whether they be encountered online or in person, the reality is that this influence is real, does and has divided families. To the extent that we can minimize or eradicate this influence either by filtering online content or by remaining emotionally available to our children, we should.

Calm down, it was a harmless quip. Also, sexual orientation is not something that one can control, despite what conversion therapists might tell you. No amount of monitoring is going to change what sex a person is attracted to.

 

[EasterJoy]

Oh my goodness, lighten up.

Sexual purity actually is a serious topic, and in spite of what some proponents of permissive sexual mores want to imply it does not involve repressing healthy forms of self-expression.

 

[Acolyte]

There are people who are born with an attraction to their own sex, who have even wished they COULD be attracted to the opposite sex, but in vain. That is undeniable.

I disagree with you on this point. The ‘Born that Way’ myth is just that. A myth.

lifesitenews.com/news/psychology-researcher-lesbian-blows-the-doors-off-born-gay-theory

A top researcher with the American Psychological Association (APA) and lesbian activist has acknowledged that gays are not “born that way.”

Dr. Lisa Diamond, co-editor-in-chief of the APA Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology and one of the APA’s “most respected members," says sexual orientation is “fluid” and not unchangeable.

As clinical psychologist Dr. Laura A. Haynes summarizes Diamond’s APA Handbook chapters, her book and YouTube lectures, “The battle to disprove 'Born that way and can’t change’ is now over, and (Diamond) is telling LGBT activists to stop promoting the myth.”

 

[EasterJoy]

I disagree with you on this point. The ‘Born that Way’ myth is just that. A myth.

lifesitenews.com/news/psychology-researcher-lesbian-blows-the-doors-off-born-gay-theory

I don’t know if people are born that way or become that way, but there are people who are attracted to their own sex and their own sex only from the time they remember even being attracted in a one-on-one way, before they were aware of what sex is. That’s just the truth. The people who say that are not lying.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Sexual purity actually is a serious topic, and in spite of what some proponents of permissive sexual mores want to imply it does not involve repressing healthy forms of self-expression.

…and nothing I said contradicts that. It was just a quip; you and Acolyte are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Acolyte]

I don’t know if people are born that way or become that way, but there are people who are attracted to their own sex and their own sex only from the time they remember even being attracted in a one-on-one way, before they were aware of what sex is. That’s just the truth. The people who say that are not lying.

What is also true is that up until 1973, the APA considered homosexuality a mental illness. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) was changed on this point not with any scientific evidence or proof but purely on politics and sentimentality. See further, Chapter 7 of Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything by Robert R. Reilly

 

[Acolyte]

…and nothing I said contradicts that. It was just a quip; you and Acolyte are making a mountain out of a molehill.

My apologies to you. Were I not so close to ‘ground zero’ in my personal relationships as I have made known here, I may have been less sensitive.

 

[Andrea_Day]

Exactly: everyone knows that lesbianism is caused by bicycles

LOL

 

[Andrea_Day]

So much middle-ground wisdom here. Andrea Day said it best, though. The very best thing we can do is parent in such a way that prevents the vacuum that the Internet so often fills. Like so many others, I was a victim of the worst the internet had to offer, but that was a direct result of the gaps in my life left by emotionally and physically absent parents. I was not monitored, but if I had been monitored and locked out of everything, it would not have changed the wounds I was looking to heal in poor sources. When my parents DID find out about my online relationship with a man 4 years older than me (15 and 19), nothing changed. They did not ask themselves why their teenager was hungry for the love of an invisible stranger. They did not turn off their televisions and engage in my life. It’s just not as simple as nipping harmful exploration in the bud. It’s about making sure that you are providing the love that makes it clear, even to a teenager, the what lurks in the dark places of the internet is the opposite of good.

Thank you. I’m very sorry to hear you experienced that. I appreciate you sharing your story.

 

[EasterJoy]

What is also true is that up until 1973, the APA considered homosexuality a mental illness. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) was changed on this point not with any scientific evidence or proof but purely on politics and sentimentality. See further, Chapter 7 of Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything by Robert R. Reilly

The psychiatrists have also quit using the term, “neurotic,” too, since it applies so widely it is practically meaningless.

I don’t intend to get into sexual morality, because the Church is already clear on the point. The Church says that for whatever reason, the number of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible, and those tendencies should not be presumed to be theirs by choice. Homosexual acts are deeply disordered, but persons prone to consider those acts are to be held as having the same dignity as those not tempted in the least to do those things.

My point here is that there is a solid basis even in secular literature for delaying sexual experiences until adulthood, including exposure to sexually-charged images. The internet offers experiences that are not harmless to adolescents, even though the adolescents are sold lies to the contrary. That is why parents are right to practice vigilance, rather than throwing in the towel on the theory that their children will be exposed to pornographic materials eventually.

 

[EasterJoy]

…and nothing I said contradicts that. It was just a quip; you and Acolyte are making a mountain out of a molehill.

I am only saying that you’re giving a flippant remark intended to belittle the importance of the topic of the thread way more defense than it deserves.

The OP takes issue with treating the topic flippantly, and I have to back him/her up on that. If you want to joke around about homosexuality, that’s your business, I suppose. Go start a joke thread, and see how it goes.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

I am only saying that you’re giving a flippant remark intended to belittle the importance of the topic of the thread way more defense than it deserves.

The OP takes issue with treating the topic flippantly, and I have to back him/her up on that. If you want to joke around about homosexuality, that’s your business, I suppose. Go start a joke thread, and see how it goes.

I didn’t intend to belittle anything. I make jokes about everything, including my own past depression and suicidal ideations, because it makes things easier for me to swallow.

I’m not trying to fight, so let’s just calm down.

 

[Andrea_Day]

An interesting note. You’ve admitted that you are not heterosexual. My friend’s daughter also took issue with Dr. Ray. From what I understand, before she ran away she made a point to discard her parent’s Dr. Ray books in front of her siblings and announce to them that this psychologist was full of B.S.

I cannot begin to tell you the damage that act did in terms of the relationship the children now have with their parents. The family is now in counseling in order to help restore trust.

So, yes. I guess that if this is what the LGBT movement is all about, I find it appalling…

It wasn’t right for the daughter to destroy the books, because her parents owned them, and it wasn’t her property. But she was perfectly right to call out the B.S. in those books, and share the truth with her siblings. From what you’ve told me, the daughter calling B.S. was not the problem–the problem was the parents bringing B.S. into their parenting. I am glad to hear they are seeking healthier parenting methods and healing in counseling.

The LGBT movement has nothing to do with opposing harmful parenting styles. Opposing harmful parenting styles is a great cause though.

 

[Acolyte]

It wasn’t right for the daughter to destroy the books, because her parents owned them, and it wasn’t her property. But she was perfectly right to call out the B.S. in those books, and share the truth with her siblings. From what you’ve told me, the daughter calling B.S. was not the problem–the problem was the parents bringing B.S. into their parenting. I am glad to hear they are seeking healthier parenting methods and healing in counseling.

The LGBT movement has nothing to do with opposing harmful parenting styles. Opposing harmful parenting styles is a great cause though.

So, you too think the recommendations of Catholic clinical psychologist Dr. Ray Guarendi is B.S.? Why am I not surprised?

From what I know, the Catholic counselor they are having sessions with has no issues with Dr. Ray.

To insist that the LGBT movement is not devastating to families or doesn’t seek to undermine parents in order to normalize the behavior is naïve at best. Again, I would ask that you visit with Encourage, parents of SSA children, and you will come face to face with people who have been deeply hurt but who also have great hope.

 

[pianistclare]

It seems the parents here of middle school and older children refer to this as monitoring.

The young people call it spying.

There was also a comment on how monitoring lturns kids into porn crazed maniacs when they move out.

It was also said to leave kids alone when self pleasuring in the bathroom, because of privacy-'when in reality perhaps a question of" are you ok "through the door would end that

It is amusing to me how gifted some people are at spinning the english language with extremes. I am impressed!

On another note. As parents to we are instructed to remove or reduce occasion of sin for our children that are still on our care, and you can’t spin that.

Amen.