Don’t you have anything better, say something that someone with a modern understanding of sexuality will say stands up to reason and knowledge?
If the premise is that ability to procreation is a requirement for morally acceptable sex, then stubborn insistence that sex between two people unable to produce children is somehow qualitatively different is simply wrong. Either there is a procreative ability, or there is not.
Well, newsflash: even with vasectomies and tubal ligs,
pregnancy is a possibility.
Do we have to provide links for everything? I thought it was common knowledge already that, while rare, it is possible for TLs and Vs to fail, and for the natural course of conception to occur. Unlikely, but possible.
On the contrary, gays can’t produce children without introducing a third party.
Now, of course, that does leave open the question of whether castrated (not just tube snipping, but taking all the baggage off) men, or women with their wombs or ovaries ripped out, are capable of marriage. My own personal opinion is “no”, because, like homosexuals, there really is a 0% chance (barring miracles) for a man who cannot produce sperm or a woman who cannot produce eggs to produce a child, so their act cannot produce life by the nature of their predicament, ever again.
But that might just be me. What do the rest of you guys think? I’ve learned a lot in this read, and I can always learn more.
Elaborate rhetorical inventions which confer moral status on one set of infertile people, while denying it to others, is a false exercise on the face of it. And, it is mean spirited.
Then you must really hate what Jesus taught, for he often spoke in parables, often discriminating against the ignorance of the Pharisees while reaching out to Gentiles and Jews who weren’t His intellectual adversaries. Why did He curse the Pharisees and not the Gentiles? Why did Jesus condemn the adulterer of heart yet let the adulterous woman go and sin no more?
Because the Pharisees were full of pride, like their fathers before them who slew the Prophets and didn’t listen to God. But the Gentiles were humble and listened with open hearts. Because the adulterer in heart is arrogant enough to think his thoughts won’t lead to actions, while the adulterous woman humbly knew the problems in her life had gone much too far, and she wanted to quit sin.
Similarly today, gays are as prideful and unrepentant at the God who detests when men give themselves over to unnatural lusts as adulterers give themselves over to their lust - how many angry gays have attacked Christians irrationally for their beliefs, just as the Pharisees attacked Our Lord and His Apostles! But when a man realises he is wrong, and has been working to destroy what is right and good, and feels remorse for what he has done - whether he’s had a vasectomy, contracepted, aided in abortion efforts, or vainly using his genitalia for uses below his dignity - he will be forgiven.
Your pride is the first thing which will send you right to Hell. And by “you” I don’t mean you “you”. I mean anyone and everyone. I mean you. But I also mean my fellow Catholics. And I mean myself, too. We’re too quick to put ourselves - as humans, or as ourselves - as the centre of the universe. But God is the thing which gives us movement, breath, and life. So when we ask, “Is sodomy good or evil?” we must ask Him, and accept His answers, whether He gives them in Scripture, or by natural reasoning.
He’s given the answers in Scripture - in the Old and New Testaments. He’s given it in history - homosexuality has, until the present, never been looked upon in a favourable light in any culture or religion. Science has shown us that on the basic level gay relationships are deficient in a way normal - keyword, normal, meaning normal for the entire human race since the first humans - heterosexual relationships are not. A man and a woman can conceive a child under usual circumstances. Without introducing a third party, the same cannot normally be said for gays. In fact, it cannot ever be said for gays, for if one partner became capable of conceiving their partner’s child, they’d no longer be gay anymore. They’d be a man and a woman.
It marvels me how such open-minded, modern people can be thwarted by basic biology and basic demographics. The reason we have 7 billion fricking people on this fricking rock is not because straight sex and sodomy are equals. We have 7 billion people on the planet because, even when we shouldn’t conceive, we assent to the truth that proper sex, not sodomy, is the fullest and proper use of our genitals, and of our minds, bodies, and souls when it concerns our genitals.
If modern thinkers is too stupid to understand basic demographics and basic biology, I cannot reasonably place my trust in anything you say that might even slightly effect the world, for fear that your suggestion would screw up everything from here to next Tuesday. Just as the sexual devolution did. Just as women’s “trying-to-be-just-like-men” movements. Just like the move for no-fault divorce and the woman’s right to kill her child in the womb. And just like whatever horrible abominations have emanated from the minds of “modern” people before, and will emanate from their minds in the future.
In other words, your modernism doesn’t impress me. It’s as stupid as the modernism before it, and the modernism before that, and we’ll get that some day.
But obviously not today.
kpeople:
cats are always cats however Homosexuals are not a singular population as evidenced by those that choose to change. Once a homosexual is not always a homosexual so a decision for a fluid, dynamic group is not the same as a static unchangeable group.