SSPX 1988 Consecration video

[bear06]

Interestingly, I can name four couples, married in the SSPX, whose marriages were not radically sanated after going over to the FSSP

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What is your proof that their marriages were not sanated? What is your understanding of the sanation procedure?

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Missa Solemnis;1707814:

Im afraid I would have to rephrase and say
If only the Council fathers had trusted in God to keep the church safe, and didnt start the Second Vatican Council.

If they had only trusted in Christ

And as for the validity of the absolutions. As superior general of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay as well as the other three SSPX Bishops have jurisdiction over the members of the Society.

If you are going to try and use the canon regarding the members of the society then how can one stick to the claim that there are no lay members of the SSPX? I believe there is now a third order but who knows what the validity of that is.

No priest, unless in case of death, can hear confessions without the permission of the local ordinary - not the Jesuits, not the Franciscans, not the diocesan priest and not the SSPX.

Priests recieve permission to hear confession from their superior or their local ordinary. The SSPX is an order…they recieve their permission from their valid bishop and valid superior general (who is also a valid bishop himself.)

Anyways…the conversation is going around in circles so Ill just leave it at that.

Concerning the actuall point of this thread.

The consecration was beautiful, too bad it still isnt done that way.

 

[Melanie01]

The Orthodox deny two principal dogmas of the faith. Filioque and Papal Infallibility.

There’s no wriggle room here. They are heretics, just as the Protestants are heretics.

…but wait…did not Pope John Paul 2 ( may he rest in peace) revoke the excommunication of the Lutherans…there is heaps of wriggle room in canon law that is what makes my head hurt…

therefore Lutherans are deheresied I think…

 

[Melanie01]

yes the consecration video is beautiful…I pray I will be attending the stunning midnight Missa Cantata at Christmas with the church all aglow from candlelight, the flood of flowers in the sanctuary and all about, the carol singing and rosary before hand…and then the breathless wait before the storm of rejoicing that begins with the procession to the altar by the troop of altar boys and priest…

 

[Walking_Home]

…but wait…did not Pope John Paul 2 ( may he rest in peace) revoke the excommunication of the Lutherans…there is heaps of wriggle room in canon law that is what makes my head hurt…

therefore Lutherans are deheresied I think…

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Do the Lutherans believe— the same truth— the same way that we Catholics believe.

 

[bear06]

bear06;1709704:

Priests recieve permission to hear confession from their superior or their local ordinary. The SSPX is an order…they recieve their permission from their valid bishop and valid superior general (who is also a valid bishop himself.)

Anyways…the conversation is going around in circles so Ill just leave it at that.

Concerning the actuall point of this thread.

The consecration was beautiful, too bad it still isnt done that way.

Not exactly. They can only hear the confessions of their own subjects without the permission of the local ordinary. Again, they must have permission from the local ordinary to hear confessions of the laity.

§2. In virtue of their office, superiors of religious institutes or societies of apostolic life that are clerical and of pontifical right, who have executive power of governance according to the norm of their constitutions, possess the faculty of hearing the confessions of their subjects and of others living day and night in the house

, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 630, §4.

Can. 969 §1. The local ordinary alone is competent to confer upon any presbyters whatsoever the faculty to hear the confessions of any of the faithful. Presbyters who are members of religious institutes, however, are not to use the faculty without at least the presumed permission of their superior.

§2. The superior of a religious institute or society of apostolic life mentioned in ⇒ can. 968, §2 is competent to confer upon any presbyters whatsoever the faculty to hear the confessions of their subjects and of others living day and night in the house.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3G.HTM
They must have the permission of the local ordinary AND their superior (or at least presumed permission of their superior).