SSPX and FSSP Masses

[James0235]

y2daddy:

That’s not what I meant. I was implying that the person in question should pray about it and then make a decision and not worry about taking a poll first.

That’s always great advice.

James

 

[y2daddy]

It’s actually pretty funny, that when the Church approves of the charismatic movement some people will remind me that the pope isn’t infallible on this matter; but when the subject is the SSPX, all of a sudden it’s “obey the church at all costs.”

 

[James0235]

y2daddy:

It’s actually pretty funny, that when the Church approves of the charismatic movement some people will remind me that the pope isn’t infallible on this matter; but when the subject is the SSPX, all of a sudden it’s “obey the church at all costs.”

Given some of the garbage that I have seen at Charismatic events I am very surprised that among orthodox Catholics there is much more opposition to the SSPX than to the Charismatic Renewal.

One offers a valid Mass (yes it is illicit but so are the Masses at many parishes in my diocese) while the other offers a liberal protestant style praise and worship service often accompanied by bad theology and tons of “private revelation” along the lines of “Mary says she is not happy that some of you aren’t praying in tongues right now”.

Of course this is just my experience.

I’ve never been to an SSPX Mass nor do I intend to. But I would like to see them reconciled. And I would like to see the bishops of the Church take another look at the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and purge it of all the protestantism/ bad hymns/ poor theology / confusing terminology (“slain in the spirit” and “baptized in the spirit” which seems to imply that the Spirit was not present at your actual baptism"

James

 

[AlegreFe]

SSPX Mass* will* satisfy the Sunday obligation.

You hear one thing from one person and you hear something else from another person. When in doubt, stay away! That’s what I say. I for one, would stay away from SSPX anything.

 

[PrayforMallory]

Given some of the garbage that I have seen at Charismatic events I am very surprised that among orthodox Catholics there is much more opposition to the SSPX than to the Charismatic Renewal.

One offers a valid Mass (yes it is illicit but so are the Masses at many parishes in my diocese) while the other offers a liberal protestant style praise and worship service often accompanied by bad theology and tons of “private revelation” along the lines of “Mary says she is not happy that some of you aren’t praying in tongues right now”.

Of course this is just my experience.

I’ve never been to an SSPX Mass nor do I intend to. But I would like to see them reconciled. And I would like to see the bishops of the Church take another look at the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and purge it of all the protestantism/ bad hymns/ poor theology / confusing terminology (“slain in the spirit” and “baptized in the spirit” which seems to imply that the Spirit was not present at your actual baptism"

James

Amen.

I’ve never been to an SSPX Mass, but I’m sympathetic to their cause, and certainly I pray for this “irregular canonical situation” to be solved once and for all.

I’m sure it will. I mean, the Catholic Church at least historically has a way of sorting out doctrine over time. It’s not like the SSPX people are going to go the way of the Old Catholic Church or anything, where they completely go off the deep end. Course, a lot of people are really opposed to the SSPX, moreso than they should be, imho. There’s zero chance that the Novus Ordo is going to be done away with.

FSSP is completely legit. There should be no doubts as to whether or not it’s ok to go. It is. It’s the same as any other Catholic Church, they just have the Latin Mass.

I go to ICKSP exclusively. Love those people.

As for SSPX, one Cardinal says one thing and another says another thing, and it’s really confusing, so, I stay away (never had a reason to go).

If I was in a town with no TLM besides the SSPX, I would probably go to the SSPX, not to support their movement, but just to go to the TLM. I don’t think I’m as well-developed in my faith as most folks on here, so my advice is worth squat.
If you go to the Novus Ordo, check up on it first, or you might end up going to a neo-catechumenate way or pentecostal Mass or something that ends up making you think Catholicism is retarded. If you know that the NO Church in the area is reverent, and it isn’t going to mess up your head, then go to the NO Church.

 

[FrRJBoyd]

To be honest, I don’t know much about the FSSP, but I do know that going to an SSPX mass will NOT satisfy your sunday obligation.

The FSSP are Roman Catholic priests who are part of an officially recognized Institute of Apostolic Life (of Pontifical Right), so, of course, you fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending Mass offered by an FSSP priest as much as you would by a diocesan priest, or a Dominican priest, or a Franciscan priest…

Surprisingly (at least to me), you also fulfill your Sunday obligation if you attend Mass offered by an SSPX priest, in a “situation of separation” from Rome. Although not encouraged, and although the reception of Holy Communion in SSPX chapels is also not recommended, lest we begin to adhere to or approve of their irregular relation with Rome, the fulfillment of your Sunday obligation is apparently not an issue with Rome at this time. Cardinal Casrtillon Hoyos confirmed the fulfillment of your obligation by attending a Mass offered by an SSPX priest, and it was recently posted on Fr. Z’s site.

God bless,

Fr. Boyd

 

[AlegreFe]

Given some of the garbage that I have seen at Charismatic events I am very surprised that among orthodox Catholics there is much more opposition to the SSPX than to the Charismatic Renewal.

I stay away from those Charismatic events. I don’t even like to hold hands during the Our Father at Mass. It just seems too “protestanty” for me. uch:

 

[Conservative]

May I go to a SSPX or a FSSP Mass and fullfill my Sunday obligations.

I’m not a Pope, and I’m not a cleric, so I will not speak for SSPX for fear of giving any incorrect information. But I do know FSSP was approved by Pope John Paul II. And I have attended TLM Mass celebrated by FSSP - awe-inspiring experience. To this lay person with no theological background, my observation is that we should get on our knees in gratitude to God - for these dedicated priests - who prove that holiness is possible in the midst of the chaos in our world.
May they be the jewels in Our Lord’s Crown in Heaven !

 

[Ave_Maria_1]

It is my hope to be a part of a new FSSP Latin Mass parish that will, of course, be fully under the local Bishop and Rome.

There is an SSPX chapel in my new town. I probably will never go there. Yes, under certain circumstances one may fulfill their Sunday obligation at an SSPX. But I know the Bishop has some very strong feelings against the SSPX for certain things that have happened. I am not going counter to what he asks in this matter which is to not attend the SSPX chapel.

 

[Praxis]

I go to SSPX Masses regularly, as my wife is a Protestant convert to SSPX.
I do it as my contribution to Ecumenism.

Maybe you could introduce her to the Catholic Christian faith?

 

[Eric_Olsen]

Of course you can fullfill your obligation by going to mass by the FSSP. The FSSP is in full communion with Rome and was given it’s blessing by PJII. The SSPX is a little more trickier. Thier mass is not invalid. Their priests are not excommunicated. Only their leader in 1988 was excommunicated. The way I understand it is, you can go to mass at a SSPX church and receive communion only if no other is available. However, you may not receive absolution from one of their priests because that faculty must be given by the local ordinary who is in full communion with the pope.

To be honest, I don’t know much about the FSSP, but I do know that going to an SSPX mass will NOT satisfy your sunday obligation.

 

[Eric_Olsen]

Actually the FSSP started at the request of priests and seminarians who left the SSPX and wanted to return to Rome.

The FSSP are great. The Fraternal Society of St. Peter. They were started at the request of Pope John Paul II to provide the Tridentine Mass. Matter of fact, I went to a Tridentine Mass this past Sunday celebrated by a FSSP priest, and he was excellent.

They are in complete communion with the Pope. They have a seminary in the US, in the Diocese of Lincoln as Bishop Bruskewitz is a supporter of the FSSP. If I were to become a priest the FSSP would be high on my list.

The SSPX, however I would avoid if at all possible.