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dixieagle
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Gerard,
This is the kind of stuff that makes normal, reasonable people shake their heads.
I think you need a hobby.
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This is the kind of stuff that makes normal, reasonable people shake their heads.
I think you need a hobby.
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dixieagle
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There’s that ultimate fighting fixation again!
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seekerz
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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Equality does not mean sameness, just as authority does not mean superiority.
And again from the Catechism:
Incidentally, Paul didn’t seem to reflect the view that gender identity has much relevance to spiritual identity:
Which brings me to an interesting question: we know our physical bodies are male and female, but does the soul have a sex?
In light of the fact that some here seem to consider true masulinity or femininity incompatible with equality of the sexes, I just thought I’d give us a frame of reference.
Equality does not mean sameness, just as authority does not mean superiority.
And again from the Catechism:
Hmm, “complementary”, now there’s an interesting concept…
Incidentally, Paul didn’t seem to reflect the view that gender identity has much relevance to spiritual identity:
How do some come to the point of seeing appropriate/inappropriate gender roles leading to eternal salvation or damnation? Isn’t it sin that leads us to heaven or hell? Where in scripture or Church teachings is it said or implied that sporting activity is unfeminine, sinful or meant to be the sole domain of the male?
Which brings me to an interesting question: we know our physical bodies are male and female, but does the soul have a sex?
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Biblioassistant
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Stephen was my aunt’s father’s name and she loved him very much. She took that name to honor him, and St. Stephen. My other aunt had a deep devotion to St. Joseph - hence her religious name.
Now you are being silly.
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Fone_Bone_2001
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I can’t believe any Catholic here is actually expressing the opinion that this woman’s removal is O.K.
Now, I’m not criticizing the school, because I don’t really know the situation; who knows if the article is accurate, what the policies of the school and SSPX actually are, etc.
But if it’s true that she was not allowed to referee the game because of her gender, then I am personally mortified by the fact that a fellow Catholic would agree with that.
A “referee” is a man-made job, not some kind of divinely established position that is intrinsically connected to gender identity.
Of course men and women are different, but male and female referees are the same as referees.
My reactions to this thread:
a) I really, really hope that non-Catholics who think the Church is sexist or something stupid like that don’t see this thread, or they’ll feel like their worst fears have been confirmed.
b) I feel sorry for traditionalists, as the fact that some Catholics here are actually defending this woman’s removal makes them look really bad in a completely unfair manner. To be a traditionalist is not to be an insecure sexist, which is what anyone who thinks it’d be inappropriate for a woman to referee a “man’s game” (I’ve never heard such a ludicrous machofest in my life) indisputably is.
When I read the OP, I truly thought that there was some kind of mistake. That this wasn’t really true, that the press was misrepresenting the situation somehow. I thought, “No Catholic could ever seriously think that way.” But after a whole half a page of replies, I was shown just how wrong I was.
As one of the posters on the first page said, what about the nuns who refereed grade school sports games in Catholic schools before Vatican II?
The fact that that kind of thing was happening a decade before these liberal changes came about in the Catholic Church is proof that there is no valid Catholic reason for this kind of viewpoint. None whatsoever.
Just insecurity and sexism.
And one final note: I also can’t believe that someone thinks women can’t be Doctors of the Church. Never heard that one before, either.
I always get really mad when I hear the secular world portray the Catholic Church as some kind of backward, sexist institution, when the reality is that it’s the secular world which has an an incredibly shallow, inaccurate understanding of human sexuality. Because of the beauty and depth of the theology of the body, I’ve always just assumed that only an obstinate refusal to be open to truth would cause someone to think such absurd things about my Church.
Now I know better.
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THurifer2
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But many single women are supposed to be nuns instead of a tiny handful. THe womans lib movement mentality that resulted in many many thinngs including female Referees is the prime cause of the decrease in Nuns.
If we had as many nuns that we had 50-60 years ago Catholic education would be either Free or very very inexpesive…oh and it would have been a decent education too…i terms of the faith that is.
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seekerz
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How do you know what proportion of single women God is calling to be nuns in our present times? What liberation movement has resulted in a similar dearth of priests?
In my opinion, it’s not so much about what bad attitudes resulted from the women’s lib movement, but what bad attitudes brought about the women’s lib movement! If women had been universally respected and treated according to God’s plan, the movement might have fizzled on day 2. Every realm where Christians tend to not live in full accord with God’s principles eventually gets taken over; first by secular change then by extremism.
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lak611
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What about the decline in priests? What caused that? There was no liberation movement of men.
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Kelly
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whatevergirl
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Women referees and female Ultimate Fighting!
LOL!!!
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latinmasslover
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Uh, no. Feminists got what they wanted, and as with spoiled brats, it did nothing but wet the appetite.
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dixieagle
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You live in a dream world. Catholic education was free or inexpensive because the nuns were poorly compensated for their dedicated work. We now have a national annual collection for the retirement needs of these wonderful women who had no retirement plans or 401Ks and did not set aside money for their later years.
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latinmasslover
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Retirement fosters laziness. Whatever happened to people working until the last day? Who’s bright idea was it that we should get to relax for the last 20-30 years of life feeding off the gov’t? Whatever happened to the work ethic in the Church?
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lucybeebee
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People did not live as long as they do now when retirement benefits were conceived of, which was roughly 150 years ago (the modern welfare state was created by Otto von Bismarck). At that time, many workers worked in heavy industry or farming and got work-related injuries that lead to early death. No one thought that people would one day live to be 80, 90, or 100 years old. Besides, if one is 80, they probably really do need a rest.
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GerardP
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And I think you need to stop hurling insults when you don’t have anything intellectually worthwhile to contribute.
You can’t actually rebut the argument with a reasoned critique, so you resort to the last resort of the incompetent and go to ridicule.
I’ll stop there since men shouldn’t catfight with women.
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GerardP
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Obviously, in those days a man was capable of being a man even with the imprudent naming practice. That didn’t make it a good idea. What was a minor imprudence prior to the Council has become a serious issue.
Read “Goodbye Good Men” by Micheal Rose. Fr. John Trigilio (of EWTN fame) talks about his seminary days in which men were calling each other by girls names in a blatant exposition of the rampant homosexuality that invaded the priesthood.
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MariaG
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Most of the nuns I know don’t “retire” at all, but only stop the work they do when physically impossible. And then have to rely on the “young” nuns, 65 or so to take care of them, with little or no money due to their sacrifices.
Apparently your experiences are different?
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GerardP
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It’s not a fixation. It was a catalyst for an epiphany. The day I randomly cruised through the channels and saw two otherwise lovely women beat each other openly and I saw the victor get her armed raised and she had a swollen eye that looked like a kaiser roll pushing through her face, the last vestiges of feminist claptrap that had been inculcated in me by school and the media was tossed out of my mentality. You have made no argument beyond your subjective preferences that would indicate that this barbaric and unnatural behavior is objectively wrong. And that behavior has it’s roots in the same mentality that can’t understand why the SSPX does not want female referees for male sports.
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childofmary1143
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So is God lazy for having rested on the 7th day? That is the stupidest most ridiculous comment I have heard on these forums. As for feeding off the gov’t ever heard of Social Security. They collect that money having CONTRIBUTED to it. My God, what selfishness it is to criticize seniors for retiring.
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Fone_Bone_2001
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So your solution to the decline in vocations to the religious life is… ban women from refereeing men’s sports games? Riiiiiight.
Amen to that.
I still can’t believe that some Catholics actually think it’d be inappropriate for a woman to referee a middle school boy’s basketball game. How insecure can you get?
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