SSPX As An Option.....

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Hi,

The entire SSPX situation is so cloudy for us laymen that I never seem to get proper understanding of the issue and just avoid them.

That said I am considering a move to a city that has a weak modernists liturgy as the typical Sunday Mass. It also has one SSPX parish.

The typical parishes are so modern as to be off putting. No kneeling, modern songs, not hymns,. Feel more protestant than Catholic. In fact I find it so off putting I won’t move there as I’d probably not even attend Mass.

I’m a not a super traditionalist either. NO Mass is fine with me and I like the EF as well. I just want solid traditional Catholic teaching.

All that said…I’m wondering just how “bad” is the SSPX? The Mass is identical to the FSSP TLM, the priests are ordained and legitimate but I understand confession may be an issue…

I know one will get more traditional Catholic values at an SSPX Mass and doubt they will make an issue of the “problems” the have with the Vatican…

Confused just trying to find a solid Catholic Mass I can attend and feel as though I had Communion with Christ.

Thanks,

EP
 
El_PAso said:
Hi,

The entire SSPX situation is so cloudy for us laymen that I never seem to get proper understanding of the issue and just avoid them.

That said I am considering a move to a city that has a weak modernists liturgy as the typical Sunday Mass. It also has one SSPX parish.

The typical parishes are so modern as to be off putting. No kneeling, modern songs, not hymns,. Feel more protestant than Catholic. In fact I find it so off putting I won’t move there as I’d probably not even attend Mass.

I’m a not a super traditionalist either. NO Mass is fine with me and I like the EF as well. I just want solid traditional Catholic teaching.

All that said…I’m wondering just how “bad” is the SSPX? The Mass is identical to the FSSP TLM, the priests are ordained and legitimate but I understand confession may be an issue…

I know one will get more traditional Catholic values at an SSPX Mass and doubt they will make an issue of the “problems” the have with the Vatican…

Confused just trying to find a solid Catholic Mass I can attend and feel as though I had Communion with Christ.

Thanks,

EP
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The SSPX is not “bad” at all. They are orthodox Catholic priests. Bishop Schneider himself said he sees no reason why they cannot hold full canonical status within the Latin Church. I would attend the SSPX chapel before one of those modernist churches.
 
Many of us laymen have a perfect understanding.

SSPX have no faculties to exercise their ministries. Going to a Church where the priests have no faculties is not an option.

To do so is to ignore the legitimate authority of the local bishop.

-Tim-
 
FYI - from Letter of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society [of Saint Pius X] has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.
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(emphasis supplied)
 
TimothyH said:
Many of us laymen have a perfect understanding.

SSPX have no faculties to exercise their ministries. Going to a Church where the priests have no faculties is not an option.

To do so is to ignore the legitimate authority of the local bishop.
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Agreed.

I would also add my opinion that, in many ways, folks like the SSPX are de facto Sedeprivationists, whether they want to admit to this or not. To say they are not problematic in this regard is incredibly silly.

I understand the desire to attend the Extraordinary Form, but we should by no means give in to the sort of rebellion the SSPX encourage simply because we LIKE one form of Mass over the other.

I’m sorry, but to be frank, the essence of Modernism is to make our own, subjective preferences and desires our rule of faith. Traditionalist dissidents, in this way, are just as Modernistic as are their progressive brethren.
 
AttendeDomine said:
Agreed.

I would also add my opinion that, in many ways, folks like the SSPX are de facto Sedeprivationists, whether they want to admit to this or not. To say they are not problematic in this regard is incredibly silly.

I understand the desire to attend the Extraordinary Form, but we should by no means give in to the sort of rebellion the SSPX encourage simply because we LIKE one form of Mass over the other.

I’m sorry, but to be frank, the essence of Modernism is to make our own, subjective preferences and desires our rule of faith. Traditionalist dissidents, in this way, are just as Modernistic as are their progressive brethren.
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The SSPX is not rebellious. It was suspended after +Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four priests to the episcopacy in order to continue his work. This was a game of politics between the Holy See and Lefebvre and had nothing to do with the actual theology of the Society.
 
El_PAso said:
Hi,

The entire SSPX situation is so cloudy for us laymen that I never seem to get proper understanding of the issue and just avoid them.

That said I am considering a move to a city that has a weak modernists liturgy as the typical Sunday Mass. It also has one SSPX parish.

The typical parishes are so modern as to be off putting. No kneeling, modern songs, not hymns,. Feel more protestant than Catholic. In fact I find it so off putting I won’t move there as I’d probably not even attend Mass.

I’m a not a super traditionalist either. NO Mass is fine with me and I like the EF as well. I just want solid traditional Catholic teaching.

All that said…I’m wondering just how “bad” is the SSPX? The Mass is identical to the FSSP TLM, the priests are ordained and legitimate but I understand confession may be an issue…

I know one will get more traditional Catholic values at an SSPX Mass and doubt they will make an issue of the “problems” the have with the Vatican…

Confused just trying to find a solid Catholic Mass I can attend and feel as though I had Communion with Christ.

Thanks,

EP
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  1. It is against forum rules to even suggest someone attend an SSPX chapel. This has nothing to do with if they are “good” or Holy. But rather we should not suggest supporting something not in full communion with Rome. It is CAF responsibility to do this. While it does not promote free expression and free and fair discussion of the issue, it is CAF duty as a Catholic organization to do so.
  2. I live in an area where the EF has been suppressed and “banned” for years. There is an SSPX chapel that is full 45 minutes from my house. I have attended once or twice out of curriosity and love for the EF which is permissible but I would not encourage anyone to do so. Several close friends who desire the EF have either gone to the chapel permanently or are considering it. I have seen it tear families apart. I think there are only two options at present. Suffer though a perceived injustice or perceived insufficient liturgical presentations (my choice) Or actively work for the EF in the diocese if you feel that it would be a fruitful endeavor.
This is one reason why I wish the SSPX would sign the form already!
 
smead2942 said:
The SSPX is not rebellious. It was suspended after +Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four priests to the episcopacy in order to continue his work. This was a game of politics between the Holy See and Lefebvre and had nothing to do with the actual theology of the Society.
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For the record, the priests were suspended long before the four-bishop consecration and the suspensions weren’t initiated by the Holy See either.
 
ProVobis said:
The priests were suspended long before the four-bishop consecration and the suspensions weren’t initiated by the Holy See either.
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Yes. The history of the SSPX is misrepresented by both sides…
 
TimothyH said:
Many of us laymen have a perfect understanding.

SSPX have no faculties to exercise their ministries. Going to a Church where the priests have no faculties is not an option.

To do so is to ignore the legitimate authority of the local bishop.

-Tim-
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This is really all that needs to be said on the subject.

I hope and pray that SSPX come back to the Church.
 
I also live in a diocese where the EF is suppressed, there was one group who started a Latin Mass society and the EF is now offered at the Cathedral. When they did that, I heard the small sspx group almost entirely dissolved, attending at the Cathedral or were absorbed by the small EC parish. That could be an option for you, for solid, Orthodox teaching, an Eastern Catholic parish.
 
Instead of attempting to attend an SSPX chapel, how about focusing on what you can help legitimately fix?

When you say “no kneeling,” do you mean none period, or do they kneel like they do in Europe (only during the words of Consecration)?

Furthermore, if they are abusing the liturgy, perhaps the Bishop does not know?

Additionally, perhaps you can contact the diocese about establishing an EF Mass in the area (or assigning a young, orthodox priest to the area to preform better OF masses.

Many younger priests today are more orthodox and committed to Liturgy vs the older priests.

God Bless
 
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