Madam Lily, do you also believe that NO needs some Greogrian Elements put back in that were taken out?If he’d restricted himself to saying that the modern church has downplayed the role of the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice he would have made a good and valid point.
To say it’s totally denied it, as he does, is going too far. After all, the words of Institution still do contain the phrase ‘this is my body, which will be given up for you’ and ‘this is the cup of my blood … it will be shed for you … for the forgiveness of sins’. That’s the essence of propitiatory sacrifice right there.
And there are at least a few other points in the NO Mass in which references are made, for example, to ‘the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself’. And the word ‘sacrifice’ itself is used at least a couple of times.
Otherwise, in terms of the explanation of the Sacrament itself, it sounds quite a bit like the speeches my old Bishop used to make. He wasn’t a great speechifier so, since I sang in the choir for confirmation for a few years in a row I got to hear it many times over
Well, it would certainly be the better off in a lot of ways if they were added back in - some of the prayers in Latin, appropriate liturgical music and such.
But then living in the middle of the big city I guess there ain’t a lot of traditional Catholics around :nope:Thoughts? I like his accent.
I regret I could not get the link to work. I he said what you say, that would be a rather silly thing to say. What diocese is he a bishop of, BTW?
He is a SSPX Bishop. In his care are multiple parishes of the SSPX in many diocese.
The confirmation was in Veneta, Oregon - by a French (possibly Swiss?) SSPX Bishop by the name of Bernard Tissier de Mallerais. Hence the cute accent.
Not being the bishop of the diocese, is the confirmation valid? Licit?
As far as the sacrament itself - assuming the ordination of the Bishop was valid, then so is the confirmation.
Valid - 100% Yes.
Valid, perhaps. But with a very overarching homily directed in opposition to the Novus Ordo Mass, didn’t seem very Catholic to me.
I’d disagree that their is 100% surity. Here’s a quote from one thread on the subject:
Also, Jimmy Akin did a piece on this awhile ago:
Bishop Tissier is definitly not making heretical statements. He and Bishop Fellay are the ones organizing the reconciliation with Rome. Its Bishop Williamson and the other one that you need to watch out for.If he’d restricted himself to saying that the modern church has downplayed the role of the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice he would have made a good and valid point.
To say it’s totally denied it, as he does, is going too far. After all, the words of Institution still do contain the phrase ‘this is my body, which will be given up for you’ and ‘this is the cup of my blood … it will be shed for you … for the forgiveness of sins’. That’s the essence of propitiatory sacrifice right there.
And there are at least a few other points in the NO Mass in which references are made, for example, to ‘the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself’. And the word ‘sacrifice’ itself is used at least a couple of times.
Otherwise, in terms of the explanation of the Sacrament itself, it sounds quite a bit like the speech my old Bishop used to make. He wasn’t a great speechifier so, since I sang in the choir for confirmation for a few years in a row I got to hear it many times over
That’s why he said, and I quote, ‘the new mass does not express the sacrifice of propitiation’.
How is that not a blanket statement against the NO rather than just against modernism?I love it too especially when he says “and so on and so forth” right at the begining whe he talks about excommunication.Thoughts? I like his accent.
I will refrain from comments about his homily.
Edit: Okay. Couldn’t help myself. I like his point about saying the “Sacrifice of the Mass.” I have never heard that from a priest outside of my parish.
I just read Jimmy’s article.
Bold mine.
Mea culpa, you are correct. I read the Akin article correctly I just missed that you were talking specifically about a Confirmation by bishop. I thought you were talking about the SSPX Confirmations in general. I imagine that since there are so few bishops that they are quite often done by priests which is sad.