SSPX Bishop Williamson: "Our Answer Will Be Negative"

[Dauphin]

This doesn’t look promising. It seems that the SSPX is having difficulty accepting even the most basic request for civility and respect.

From Rorate (rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/):

From an interview granted by Bishop Richard Williamson, of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) to Bruno Volpe, of the Italian religious website Petrus:

Bishop Williamson, how do you see Rome’s proposals? Do you see a reunion of the schism as practicable?

"I appreciated the tone of the letter of Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, but I frankly believe that nothing will be done and that our answer will be negative."

 

[piouswoman]

This doesn’t look promising. It seems that the SSPX is having difficulty accepting even the most basic request for civility and respect.

From Rorate (rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/):

From an interview granted by Bishop Richard Williamson, of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) to Bruno Volpe, of the Italian religious website Petrus:

Bishop Williamson, how do you see Rome’s proposals? Do you see a reunion of the schism as practicable?

"I appreciated the tone of the letter of Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, but I frankly believe that nothing will be done and that our answer will be negative."

The key words that you used here are “it seems”.

I find it interesting that there are so many armchair theologians out there, speculating right and left, acting as though their opinion really mattered, making statements based on “feelings”, presuming to know better than the bishops and priests what is the right thing to do…it is laughable. People should be spending their time praying and it would certainly help to consider practicing charity.

 

[belgianwaffles9]

Isn’t Williamson the most hostile to Rome of the SSPX bishops?

I wouldn’t be surprised if this letter somehow, ironically, caused a scism within the SSPX with some joining the Church under one or a number of the bishops, and some either splintering off, or following a rogue bishop off into some other sedevacantist groups or the Society of St. Pius V.

 

[rpp]

This is most disappointing.

But, in all honesty, not unexpected.

:crying:

 

[pnewton]

Fellay responded somewhat less charitably in his rejection. I find myseld in rare agreement with piuswoman, though. I will not post on this topic with out praying that God will soften the hearts of all concerned. I believe it will take a miracle to resolve this by the deadline, but that has never been a problem for God.

 

[ProVobis]

Sounds as if some heavy negotiations are going on, with Bishop Fellay the main focus. I really doubt if the end of the month will be the final end.

 

[Dauphin]

Here’s Williamson’s blog post on the subject.

dinoscopus.blogspot.com/

Very sad. Very deluded.

He interprets the five conditions as a sellout to modernism. I always knew his excellency was a nut, but this really confirms it.

 

[piouswoman]

Here’s Williamson’s blog post on the subject.

dinoscopus.blogspot.com/

Very sad. Very deluded.

He interprets the five conditions as a sellout to modernism. I always knew his excellency was a nut, but this really confirms it.

You haven’t any right to say these things…what is happening is best left to those whose concern it is…there are millions of souls at stake here…

 

[Dauphin]

You haven’t any right to say these things…what is happening is best left to those whose concern it is…there are millions of souls at stake here…

Yeah, including yours piouswoman. I’d jump ship now, before a formal schism is declared.

Can’t you recognize Williamson’s delusion, or are you as hopeless as he is?

 

[BrendanD]

Pius X himself could be resurrected and elected Pope, and they’d still refuse to return so they can mock “newchurch” from the outside.

Newchurch is a term used by sedevacantists, not the SSPX.

They’re a pack of sociopaths dragging hundreds of thousands of souls into schism.

Cardinal Hoyos, appointed President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei by the Pope, says that the SSPX are not in schism. Is he wrong?

 

[Dauphin]

Newchurch is a term used by sedevacantists, not the SSPX.

They’ve used it in the past.

Cardinal Hoyos, appointed President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei by the Pope, says that the SSPX are not in schism. Is he wrong?

No. He’s right. They’re not in schism.

However, once they reject these basic, generous conditions, they clearly will be.

 

[BrendanD]

Whoops I deleted my post, I thought the one I was responding to had been deleted.

They’ve used it in the past.

I’d like to know where, and who exactly used it? Personally, I’ve only heard that term from the Traditio-types and other sedevacantists.

No. He’s right. They’re not in schism.

Agreed, and I think people here should stop saying they are.

However, once they reject these basic, generous conditions, they clearly will be.

How do you know? It is the Church that decides who is in schism, we can not predict that.

 

[saint_rafael]

Bishop Richard Williamson has been a couragous man, but he can be too careless and harsh at times.
Formal Schism is nothing to rejoice over.

I believe he is wrong. Rome won’t do anything. Their modernism makes them incapable of doing anything. It is an empty threat. They don’t have the gall to do something so crazy, stupid, and unjust like formal schism.

Bishop Fellay is in charge and it is his decision. Prayers are needed to move the hearts Pope Benedict, Cardinal Hoyos, and Bishop Fellay so there can be regularization.

 

[Dauphin]

How do you know? It is the Church that decides who is in schism, we can not predict that.

It’s a matter of common sense. The schismatic Patriarch of Constantinople has more deference to and respect for the See of Rome than any of the society’s Bishops.

If they can’t accept such basic conditions, they clearly aren’t serious about reconciliation. They’ll have finally become an entity entirely distinct from the Church; a schismatic group.

 

[Spiller]

The only regret I feel is the Catholic Church’s resources that were lost on this process. There is no way the sspx is coming Home anytime soon.

 

[piouswoman]

Yeah, including yours piouswoman. I’d jump ship now, before a formal schism is declared.

Can’t you recognize Williamson’s delusion, or are you as hopeless as he is?

You are the one with delusions…I have no intention of “jumping ship”…not now, not ever…You don’t jump from the ship of Divine Tradition…there is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH, the Church established by Jesus Christ…and all of its doctrines…you would be well advised that for a person to reject even ONE solemn doctrine of faith, is not a Catholic at all. The Catholic Church cannot change because the TRUTH does not change…so go right on ahead with your ill advised statements…but realize for the sake of your own soul and the sake of the souls of your family, that the church today teaches many errors…and many souls are being led to hell…

 

[Dauphin]

The only regret I feel is the Catholic Church’s resources that were lost on this process. There is no way the sspx is coming Home anytime soon.

It wasn’t necessarily a waste. Hopefully a significant number of souls will be driven from the SSPX once they recognize how deluded their leaders have become.

 

[Chaldean_Rite]

You are the one with delusions…I have no intention of “jumping ship”…not now, not ever…You don’t jump from the ship of Divine Tradition…there is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH, the Church established by Jesus Christ…and all of its doctrines…you would be well advised that for a person to reject even ONE solemn doctrine of faith, is not a Catholic at all. The Catholic Church cannot change because the TRUTH does not change…so go right on ahead with your ill advised statements…but realize for the sake of your own soul and the sake of the souls of your family,** that the church today teaches many errors**…and many souls are being led to hell…

The bolded part confirms your faithlessness in the Church.

 

[Dauphin]

You are the one with delusions…I have no intention of “jumping ship”…not now, not ever…You don’t jump from the ship of Divine Tradition…there is only ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH, the Church established by Jesus Christ…and all of its doctrines…you would be well advised that for a person to reject even ONE solemn doctrine of faith, is not a Catholic at all. The Catholic Church cannot change because the TRUTH does not change…so go right on ahead with your ill advised statements…but realize for the sake of your own soul and the sake of the souls of your family, that the church today teaches many errors…and many souls are being led to hell…

I understand and recognize the modernism that pervades the Church, but there are those of us who remain in perfect communion with her, while still defending the Sacred Tradition and the true faith.

You’d be wise to abandon the SSPX, now that it’s become so clear that they have no interest in Catholic unity.

 

[piouswoman]

The bolded part confirms your faithlessness in the Church.

Are you denying that they teach ecumenism, religious liberty and collegiality? If so, you need to do a bit of reading, the days of blind obedience are over…