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catharina
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kind’a too bad for all those virgin-martyrs though.Boy howdy, now here’s a new teaching for ya. I guess all the unmarried females or those married without children are up the creek without a paddle.
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Our_Refuge
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What is the primary purpose of marriage? To be 'fruitful and multiple" or to seek degrees and be successful in the secular world.?Boy howdy, now here’s a new teaching for ya. I guess all the unmarried females or those married without children are up the creek without a paddle.
For those that are married and unable to have children then they should adopt.
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Our_Refuge
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The purpose of a man is to be a good father and to provide for his family, therefore is should get a degree if he believes that will help him to provide.
A mother that home schools is not in the secular world. She is at home with her children. That is what Bishop Williamson is speaking of.
I am not with the SSPX. I have never met anyone with them, however I understand the Bishops point.
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pnewton
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I believe what we are seeing is introduction of control mechanisms for the faithful. With powerful central leadership that runs counter-culture and takes pride this (hence the belief they are “The Remnant”), all that remained was for control mechanisms to come into place to become a cult. I believe we may be seeing this as the group firms their resolve to withstand the Holy Father.
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fantasy_forever
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me to! I go to this church and am thinking of joing them as a priest! (I am already an altar boy)
sspx.ca/Quebec/StJosephsMontreal.htm
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piouswoman
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Some may be smart enough to handle motherhood and a career, that is beside the point, the selfish pursuit and prominence of a working mothers career will inevitably rob the children of the motherly guidance and attention that is vital. Isn’t it enough of a contribution to society for a woman to raise good, moral, Catholic adults? If it isn’t, then that mother is soaking in feminism and modernism.
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Dee_Dee_King
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sspx will never come back. they are happy where they are at. they exist only to criticize the modern degradation of the church. if they were in full communion, they would have to face the reality that the church is full of sinners who they obviously think they are apart of.
i agree with much of what they say, but the whole point of being catholic is to be in communion with the see of rome and practice the humility that is required.
they are a contradiction. they believe they are more catholic than the pope, making them anti-catholic.
i agree with much of what they say, but the whole point of being catholic is to be in communion with the see of rome and practice the humility that is required.
they are a contradiction. they believe they are more catholic than the pope, making them anti-catholic.
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catharina
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Can’t imagine what these bishops were doing in 1950; I was in first grade and beginning to memorize the Baltimore Catechism. (Yes, MEMORIZE. Required of all of us in my Catholic school.) Even now I remember the question: “Why did God make you?” AND the answer: “God made me to know Him, love Him and serve Him in this world and to be happy with Him in heaven.” Now how did self-chosen bishops (who exist as bishops without the blessing of Rome) manage to delete this very basic point of our faith? (I do mean BASIC.)
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piouswoman
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I can’t answer what else you don’t know about it…but one thing I can answer** loud and clear**, and that is, that you and many others take quite a pleasure in not only attacking the SSPX and the SSPX faithful, but with much vindictiveness, enjoy endlessly repeating and perpetrating falsehoods and untruths about them…since you are calling yourselves Catholic…perhaps you will consider the gravity of your actions, because someday you will have to stand before God and be judged. The devil is working hard to steal souls away from their faith and it is not Catholic to act with such cruelty and lack of charity.
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JReducation
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So how to we justify the hundreds of thousands of religious sisters who never became mothers, went to universities and became teachers, doctors, social workers, nurses, theologians, administrators, and more.
Was Mother Teresa one of these women who should have never been beatified, because she went to university twice. She had degrees in education and in nursing and was not a mother.
Should we not have canoized St. Edith Stein who had two PhDs and wrote very profound philosphical texts on philosophy of theology? She also was not a mother.
What about St. Francis Xavier Cabrini, who went to university and became a teacher and missionary?
Or St. Katherine Drexel who had two university degrees, in Business Administration and in Education.
Canonization and beatification are infallible decrees. If these women were in the wrong, then the Church could not infallibly beatify and canonize them.
Let’s not forget Maria Montessori, MD who was the first female Italian physician and whose case is up for beatification. She was a wife, mother, physician and educator.
Since the Church did infallibly beatify and canonized them, that means that there is a plac for women in higher education and for women who choose not to be mothers, but to serve God and the Church in something else.
I don’t think that Church tradition supports the bishop’s position.
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catharina
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Thanks for passing judgement on me. I’ll consider the source. What you seem to neglect to recognize is that sspx leaders, like any schismatics, have brought only pain and scandal to the Church and to the faithful. To state that in all truth is to speak (only) the truth.
If that truth offends you, then so be it.
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piouswoman
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More uncharitable and un-Catholic remarks, and perpetrating of lies.
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piouswoman
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Look at it in a fair and balanced way. The modernists have brought pain and scandal to the Church and to the faithful. Forty years worth. The Catholic Church cannot change, because the truth cannot change, and yet all we have seen since Vatican II is change, change, change.
If you want to call speaking the truth “passing judgement” I cannot stop you, and I cannot stop you from making a continual barrage of untruths and falsehoods to the detriment of the SSPX…you will have to live with it on your own conscience.
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piouswoman
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Another round of insults directed at the SSPX. Will Catholic charity ever show itself on this forum?
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catharina
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I strongly suggest that you look to your own conscience, my dear, as I look to mine.
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piouswoman
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Another uncharitable salvo…
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catharina
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Simply the truth (again).
If bishops imagine that they can decree the purpose of creation in a way that contradicts the Baltimore Catechim, then those bishops are very far gone. Men and women were created for the very same purpose. I learned that in 1950. The teaching hasn’t changed.
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pnewton
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Some are and some are not, like is the case in all things. Men likewise have to understand both their boundries and callings. Being a mother is a totally good and wonderful thing, if that is what God calls one to. But then so is being a nurse, doctor of other medical care-giver. It is also a noble calling being a teacher of children. There are many other things God can call us to. For some, the height of wit may come by composing such jewels as:
“More uncharitable and un-Catholic remarks, and perpetrating of lies.”
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piouswoman
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My conscience is clear, I have not perpetrated lies and falsehoods. To continue to perpetrate that which is untrue can only result in more damage to the SSPX, you cannot claim ignorance in that regard, only bad intent and a hardened heart, can you claim. That is an un-Catholic action to take. It is unjust, it is uncharitable, and you haven’t any knowledge of the facts and the details that go on in the negotiations between Rome and the SSPX, so to spout off in such a way can only expose your purpose which is to do harm.
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pnewton
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Her opinion of herself is reflected in her user name. She calls me a liar on a post that begins “I believe…”. I do not know how she thinks one’s belief can be a lie. However, if such a gutteral reaction devoid of logic is woven through the SSPX, their future will be bleak. (again, my opinion)
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