SSPX Could Return This Week - Agreement With Rome Near

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Read Fr. Normandin’s A pastor left out in the cold. It discusses how the Archdiocese of Montreal persecuted Fr. Normandin for continuing to celebrate the Old Mass.

This happened in many other diocese, especially in Canada.

On that note, I shall leave.
Having lived through that period of time, and having seen firsthand the traumatic effect it had on Catholic family members, I remember it well.

I suspect, however, that the church leaders who did tell people the TLM was “no longer allowed” were the liberals and modernists who wanted to speed up the “out with the old, and in with the new” process. Or maybe they just misunderstood the rules, assuming the advent of the NO meant no more TLM automatically.
 
Read Fr. Normandin’s A pastor left out in the cold. It discusses how the Archdiocese of Montreal persecuted Fr. Normandin for continuing to celebrate the Old Mass.

This happened in many other diocese, especially in Canada.

On that note, I shall leave.
That’s not case now. Can we move on?
 
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Cat;3842432]At the moment in history, yes. Most Protestants are “invincibly ignorant” of any of the teachings you mention in your post. They are to be pitied and evangelized, not condemned as heretics. In fact, the Catholic Church says that people who do not wilfully and with full knowledge make the decision to reject the Catholic Church are not heretics.
I never said that protestants are heretics. My wife converted from the Church of Christ. I said that Protestantism as a religious system is a heresy, the worst in the history of the Church in my opinion. It has put hundreds of millions of souls at risk.
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According to the Catechism, the Protestants are separated brothers and sisters by virtue of their triune baptism, and have a hope of heaven
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Aren’t SSPX members also separated brothers and sisters that have a hope of heaven?
So yes, I would argue that SSPX is indeed, the greater heresy. A cancer in my own body is much more devastating than cancer cells on a microscope slide
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The SSPX is what, one million strong? Protestants are what, hundreds of millions? Hardly a cancer cell on a microscope. Protestantism as a religious system is a false religion. Just think how different the world would be if the Reformation had never happenned. There would be one Christian flock. Christ would be King. All Christian goverments would have laws based on the teachings of the Church. We would truly be one nation under God.
 
I keep hearing that, but only at CAF.

I have never heard a priest or bishop state that the old Latin Mass “was no longer allowed”.
I have. And quite recently too. Right after I realized I needed to be Catholic in 2003, I have heard priests say this. Though I have not heard a bishop make this pronouncement.
 
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I never said that protestants are heretics. My wife converted from the Church of Christ. I said that Protestantism as a religious system is a heresy, the worst in the history of the Church in my opinion. It has put hundreds of millions of souls at risk.
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Aren’t SSPX members also separated brothers and sisters that have a hope of heaven?

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The SSPX is what, one million strong? Protestants are what, hundreds of millions? Hardly a cancer cell on a microscope. Protestantism as a religious system is a false religion. Just think how different the world would be if the Reformation had never happenned. There would be one Christian flock. Christ would be King. All Christian goverments would have laws based on the teachings of the Church. We would truly be one nation under God.
This is what it’s all about. Love for the idiocy of Protestantism. Some people want to be Protestants in communion with the Pope, for some crazy reason.

I don’t know why anyone would want to be Catholic and retain any semblance of Protestantism. It’s inferior in so many ways.

I’ll take the Orthodox over the Protestants any day. Their religion isn’t mindless.

I was once a Protestant. I abandoned all of that foolishness. The Eucharist is the flesh of Christ, the Mass is a sacrifice, the Priesthood is apostolic, and if you disagree, read a book for a change and cease with the Nascar Christianity.
 
Someone said that I was young and loyal to my parents, that is true. I am 19 and I am extremely loyal to my parents as I should be. But that does not mean that I am exaggerating or lying. My mother new when she left the SSPX, when it left the Church, that her family would stay and that there would be a rift “They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother”, but she knew that she had to follow Rome. “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

It was my mother’s sister who said that she could not fathom why God had given my mother six children only so that she could lead them to hell. It was my mother’s sister who, when my sister and I went over to Germany to help her during her last month of pregnancy with her four other children all under age 6, who wouldn’t take us to the local mass that was in union with Rome, so we had to walk over a mile each way, even though she had promised my mother that she would take us.

We do not prefer the NO, we have seen many abuses, my father has corrected many priests and choir directors, we have walked out of many masses; but we know that it is our duty to stay with Rome, so we continue to fight. That is why my father is insisting that all of us get a Catholic liberal arts education before we get our degrees, he wants us to have the college education to back up our words when we confront these people who cause the abuses.

I’m not looking for sympathy, I have dealt with it all my life, I am just trying to show the truth of the situation. My SSPX family lives in St. Marys, KS, that is one of the SSPX’s main hubs in the USA. Most of the people in St. Marys have the same attitude as my aunts and uncles and grandparents. When we lived there, none of my mother’s old friends from when she was in the SSPX, would talk to us because we went to the FSSP mass, or the NO, and because my mom wore pants and shorts. It isn’t a myth, this is real, though I know it sounds like something out of some weird movie.

They are like the Pharisees, they are so concerned with the rules, they forget the spirit of the law. They are so concerned with making sure they don’t even associate with people outside the SSPX, that they forget that person is their own flesh and blood. It is really strange.

I am just writing this because I feel that I have a unique perspective of the SSPX.
I prefer the EF, but I go to the OF because it is the right thing to do. I have family in the SSPX and my parents long to give in and live the easy life in the SSPX, but instead they have taught us to argue and prove ourselves to priests, bishops, and anyone else who crosses the line. Until I was 9 I attended mostly FSSP, then EWTN’s hybrid, then a really reverent NO, then now in Vegas, it is a weekly struggle to find a good mass. I have family in the SSPX, I have lived in a SSPX town, my grandfather owns a business that employs only SSPX members, I have a mother who was disowned by family and friends simply because she goes to a mass in a different language.
I have a unique perspective, it is a true perspective, I wish there was more hope for the SSPX, but they are so stubbornly wrong.😦

I said earlier that my priest was trying to learn Latin, I was corrected, he must just be trying to learn the EF, sorry I was just told that he was studying and trying to learn so he could say a EF.

Have a good day everyone, continue to pray for more workers in the vineyard.
 
That’s not case now. Can we move on?
First of all, I didn’t bring it up, I was merely correcting a lie.

Secondly, It is the case now, to a degree. A group of young students from our Newman centre tried to organize a TLM, our experience with the Archdiocese was interesting to say the least. Things are not made easy for us traditionalists, but thats okay, because all we do is fight for one of God’s most venerable rites.

Sancte Pie X,
ora pro nobis.
 
Someone said that I was young and loyal to my parents, that is true. I am 19 and I am extremely loyal to my parents as I should be. But that does not mean that I am exaggerating or lying. My mother new when she left the SSPX, when it left the Church, that her family would stay and that there would be a rift “They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother”, but she knew that she had to follow Rome. “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

It was my mother’s sister who said that she could not fathom why God had given my mother six children only so that she could lead them to hell. It was my mother’s sister who, when my sister and I went over to Germany to help her during her last month of pregnancy with her four other children all under age 6, who wouldn’t take us to the local mass that was in union with Rome, so we had to walk over a mile each way, even though she had promised my mother that she would take us.

We do not prefer the NO, we have seen many abuses, my father has corrected many priests and choir directors, we have walked out of many masses; but we know that it is our duty to stay with Rome, so we continue to fight. That is why my father is insisting that all of us get a Catholic liberal arts education before we get our degrees, he wants us to have the college education to back up our words when we confront these people who cause the abuses.

I’m not looking for sympathy, I have dealt with it all my life, I am just trying to show the truth of the situation. My SSPX family lives in St. Marys, KS, that is one of the SSPX’s main hubs in the USA. Most of the people in St. Marys have the same attitude as my aunts and uncles and grandparents. When we lived there, none of my mother’s old friends from when she was in the SSPX, would talk to us because we went to the FSSP mass, or the NO, and because my mom wore pants and shorts. It isn’t a myth, this is real, though I know it sounds like something out of some weird movie.

They are like the Pharisees, they are so concerned with the rules, they forget the spirit of the law. They are so concerned with making sure they don’t even associate with people outside the SSPX, that they forget that person is their own flesh and blood. It is really strange.

I am just writing this because I feel that I have a unique perspective of the SSPX.
I prefer the EF, but I go to the OF because it is the right thing to do. I have family in the SSPX and my parents long to give in and live the easy life in the SSPX, but instead they have taught us to argue and prove ourselves to priests, bishops, and anyone else who crosses the line. Until I was 9 I attended mostly FSSP, then EWTN’s hybrid, then a really reverent NO, then now in Vegas, it is a weekly struggle to find a good mass. I have family in the SSPX, I have lived in a SSPX town, my grandfather owns a business that employs only SSPX members, I have a mother who was disowned by family and friends simply because she goes to a mass in a different language.
I have a unique perspective, it is a true perspective, I wish there was more hope for the SSPX, but they are so stubbornly wrong.😦

I said earlier that my priest was trying to learn Latin, I was corrected, he must just be trying to learn the EF, sorry I was just told that he was studying and trying to learn so he could say a EF.

Have a good day everyone, continue to pray for more workers in the vineyard.
This is probably the most important post in the traditional Catholic section of the forum.

Right now, in my opinion, what’s most important is to get people like those described above an approved TLM.

Anyone can change. We have to hold out hope. St. Paul consented to St. Stephen’s murder, yet he changed. Anything is possible if all the rhetoric is silenced, even for a few days. The SSPX situation will be fixed.

There’s no way, that any sane, rational human being would reject the offer posited by the Holy Father. It’s all very basic to Catholicism. The SSPX would be idiotic to not accept.

Surely, they don’t believe that all these modernists are going to suddenly up and elect a traditionalist Pope, while all the traditionalists are in the ghetto? The SSPX priests could join the ICKSP priests, the FSSP priests, and all the other groups and form a really formidable force when it came to the restoration of tradition. It’s not going to happen overnight, on its own. I have a feeling they will accept this agreement, because it will be ecclesiastical suicide if they don’t.
 
First of all, I didn’t bring it up, I was merely correcting a lie.

Secondly, It is the case now, to a degree. A group of young students from our Newman centre tried to organize a TLM, our experience with the Archdiocese was interesting to say the least. Things are not made easy for us traditionalists, but thats okay, because all we do is fight for one of God’s most venerable rites.

Sancte Pie X,
ora pro nobis.
“Lie” is a very strong word. Rather, the poster you were responding to was describing his experience. He was not familiar with any suppression. You (and I) are. That does not make that poster a liar. Rather someone who does not have the information that you have.

For a statement to be a lie, the person has to know they are saying something false or incorrect. That is clearly not the case here. To call it a “lie” is quite uncharitable.
 
“Lie” is a very strong word. Rather, the poster you were responding to was describing his experience. He was not familiar with any suppression. You (and I) are. That does not make that poster a liar. Rather someone who does not have the information that you have.

For a statement to be a lie, the person has to know they are saying something false or incorrect. That is clearly not the case here. To call it a “lie” is quite uncharitable.
I couldn’t really care less. I have zero respect for the poster in question.

Anyway, I have spent 5 minutes on this forum, which is way too much, I was only getting in contact with a fellow poster friend of mine, and Lord help me, I couldn’t resist a post or two.
 
To call it a “lie” is quite uncharitable.
As for myself, I’m finished worrying about charity on this forum. It’s pretty much a myth, as far as these threads go.

I want the SSPX to be regularized, so my friends back home can go to Mass there. I pray that the Pope celebrates the TLM, and that everybody that wants access to one has access.

I’m evil for all that. I’m evil because I can’t stand “Lord of the Dance” and other hymns that wouldn’t pass muster in a basic composition course, and I’m evil because I see a big difference between my parish now and my parish from a year ago. Differences which any sane person is going to acknowledge.
 
I couldn’t really care less. I have zero respect for the poster in question.

Anyway, I have spent 5 minutes on this forum, which is way too much, I was only getting in contact with a fellow poster friend of mine, and Lord help me, I couldn’t resist a post or two.
Hmm. Thank you for this response. It is not very Christ-like. Just because you do not respect someone is not cause to insult them.
 
As for myself, I’m finished worrying about charity on this forum. It’s pretty much a myth, as far as these threads go.

I want the SSPX to be regularized, so my friends back home can go to Mass there. I pray that the Pope celebrates the TLM, and that everybody that wants access to one has access.

I’m evil for all that. I’m evil because I can’t stand “Lord of the Dance” and other hymns that wouldn’t pass muster in a basic composition course, and I’m evil because I see a big difference between my parish now and my parish from a year ago. Differences which any sane person is going to acknowledge.
I’m in the exact same boat brother. There’s only one cure, quit this forum. It is so much better for the soul to be away from the constant bickering.

I would kindly advise that you seek out a traditionalist forum, where our views don’t lend to constant and endless bickering and whining.

Now I’m good to go.
 
They are like the Pharisees, they are so concerned with the rules, they forget the spirit of the law.
Funny, that’s how I feel about Novus Ordo neoconservatives - “But Rome says altar girls/communion in hand/EMHCs/other nonsense is allowed!” And, of course, people who say that Archbishop Lefebvre (without whom the traditional Mass would only be in the hands of sedevacantists, and lost from the Church forever) is in hell, because according to strict reading of Cannon Law received excommunication. Or that people who go to SSPX priests for confession aren’t really absolved for their sins and are therefore going to hell. You know, things like that.
 
Go read a book. The Catechism of Trent teaches against the use of “for all.” This is just one problem with the New Mass, though supposidly it will be fixed. If you want egos, there are none missing at your local diocesean chancellory.
The SSPX is gravely WRONG to even suggest the Pauline Mass is invalid. Such comments make me wonder about the influence Satan has on any individual or institution making such erroneous and inflammatory comments…
 
Matthew 7:1

"Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, 3 remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.
 
The SSPX is gravely WRONG to even suggest the Pauline Mass is invalid. Such comments make me wonder about the influence Satan has on any individual or institution making such erroneous and inflammatory comments…
The SSPX has never said or suggested that the Pauline Mass in and of itself is invalid… It has said however that attending it could be an occasion of sin, or a sin itself, especially if there are things like standing+receiving in the hand, EMHCs, female lectors, etc, and that there is always a possibility of a liberal priest not consecrating with correct intention, possibly making that individual Mass invalid. However, regardless of the validity, no Catholic should go to the New Mass because it is a Protestant innovation.
 
I think this thread has reached it’s limit on charity. It is so sad that people are not humble or Christ-like enough to treat others with the charity we are required as Christians to show everyone. 😦

Pride is the gravest of sins.

Let us all humbly pray that SSPX and the Holy See can be reconciled.

And let us all humbly pray that we can be reconciled with each other, through Christ who loves us.
 
Deus, I hope you don’t go around in public calling other Catholics “neoconservatives/neocons”. When I read that word on these forums, I feel personally insulted, because that is a blanket insult and it falls on me, too. I find it to be very hurtful, even though I have not said one bad word about Catholics like yourself. 😦

I go to a parish that has very good Ordinary Form Masses. I have never seen it as an occasion of sin, or sin itself, but never would I discourage a person from attending the Extraordinary Form if that is what they preferred. Why do you proceed to tell me that I must not go to the Ordinary Form of Mass? Why must I have my mind changed? I would not give up membership at my parish for anything in the world; no person could ever force me to leave it, no matter what they say about it. The only thing that could cause me to leave my parish and go to another is if I move too far out of town.
 
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