SSPX Could Return This Week - Agreement With Rome Near

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pnewton said:
Everyone have a blest evening. I will pray and offer my Mass for this reunion to occur, although I believe personalities have already entered the equation. I regret that some of you take my disagreement so personal and feel the need to respond as such.
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Personally, I have no problem with your position of disagreement with the SSPX. When you equate them with mind-controlling cults, however, I feel bound to object.

A blessed evening to you, also.:signofcross:
 
laudamus_te said:
Personally, I have no problem with your position of disagreement with the SSPX. When you equate them with mind-controlling cults, however, I feel bound to object.
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Yet he didn’t
No rush to judgement, please.

Go back to Post 256. What pnewton said was this:
“I believe what we are seeing is introduction of control mechanisms for the faithful. With powerful central leadership that runs counter-culture and takes pride this (hence the belief they are “The Remnant”), all that remained was for control mechanisms to come into place to become a cult. I believe we may be seeing this as the group firms their resolve to withstand the Holy Father.”

You accuse him of saying something he never said.
 
catharina said:
Yet he didn’t
No rush to judgement, please.

Go back to Post 256. What pnewton said was this:
“I believe what we are seeing is introduction of control mechanisms for the faithful. With powerful central leadership that runs counter-culture and takes pride this (hence the belief they are “The Remnant”), all that remained was for control mechanisms to come into place to become a cult. I believe we may be seeing this as the group firms their resolve to withstand the Holy Father.”

You accuse him of saying something he never said.
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Pnewton’s words speak for themself.
 
catharina said:
Yet he didn’t
No rush to judgement, please.

Go back to Post 256. What pnewton said was this:
“I** believe what we are seeing is introduction of control mechanisms for the faithful.** With powerful central leadership that runs counter-culture and takes pride this (hence the belief they are “The Remnant”), all that remained was for control mechanisms to come into place to become a cult. I believe we may be seeing this as the group firms their resolve to withstand the Holy Father.”

You accuse him of saying something he never said.
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The bolded part says we are, in his opinion, seeing control mechanisms for the faithful…it is well implied despite the “all that remained…” safety phrase, by the power of suggestion he is saying “cult”, you just can’t wriggle out of that one, try as you may.
This is yet another attack amongst many on the SSPX…no charity here, no Catholic kindness, because saying these things does great harm.
 
Our_Refuge said:
If you asked Pope Benedict if it is better for women to have children and work outside the home or to have children and stay at home with them I am willing to bet he would say stay at home with the children
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I was going to post that this was not the impression that I got from reading the letter he wrote to the bishops, On the Collaboration of Men and Women (July 2004).

Then it finally occurred to me that if I spent more time reading the reams of writing put out by Benedict XVI and John Paul II in the last 30 years, not to mention the writings of the early Church Fathers, and Doctors of the Church, and so on, instead of all the time I spend here exchanging opinions with those who don’t even think I should have gone to college before staying home with my kids, I wouldn’t have to guess what those with some standing to have an opinion would say, and we’d all be a lot better off, besides.

No offense to those who use their time here more profitably than I do, but CA forums are a habit I need to break.
 
piouswoman said:
This is yet another attack amongst many on the SSPX…no charity here, no Catholic kindness, because saying these things does great harm.
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You might ask yourself what this place is doing to your ability to remain in peace, too.

I don’t mean that as a criticism, but just that “You can’t teach a pig to sing. You just frustrate yourself and annoy the pig.” There are a lot of days where this place gets you pretty frustrated, that’s all.

I have heard it said that one of the reasons for a monasteries to impose so much silence in their days is that it serves to keep the peace between brothers with very different opinions.
There might be something to that.

Just a thought. Peace be to you. If I can muster the self-control, I won’t be back. Keep me in your prayers
 
EasterJoy said:
You might ask yourself what this place is doing to your ability to remain in peace, too.

I don’t mean that as a criticism, but just that “You can’t teach a pig to sing. You just frustrate yourself and annoy the pig.” There are a lot of days where this place gets you pretty frustrated, that’s all.

I have heard it said that one of the reasons for a monasteries to impose so much silence in their days is that it serves to keep the peace between brothers with very different opinions.
There might be something to that.

Just a thought. Peace be to you. If I can muster the self-control, I won’t be back. Keep me in your prayers
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Thanks, I will keep you in my prayers…it doesn’t frustrate me however, not at all…I don’t mind pointing out the unjust behavior towards the SSPX…someone has to do it.
 
ethelzguy said:
How is a priest declaring that our Church is the only path to Salvation DIFFERENT than what other preachers preach. What is there in such preaching that would cause a listener to choose Catholicism over another denomination (or non-denomination)?
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How is it different? How about the fact that it’s true?

It would be a movement of grace that would help a person differentiate the truth from the lie.

Tom Woods author of “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization” said in a lecture that it was hearing the insistent pounding of his friends that the Catholic Church was the one true Church, that it finally sunk in and caused his conversion from Lutheranism.
 
Timothysis said:
I will say it once again. The Archbishop was excommunicated because of his DISOBEDIENCE in ordaining bishops without a papal mandate. The controversy over the status of the sspx is irrelevant. Even if their status was regularized today it doesn’t change the fact that he ignored a papal warning from Pope John Paul II himself stating that if he proceeded he would incur the penalty of excommunication and he died without seeking the pardon of the Pope, as mandated by Canon Law.

If (and that’s a BIG if) Pope Benedict were to remove the excommunication, it would be the result of his generosity in the matter. Canon Law is on the side of the Pope. The Vatican has never “recognized” that the excommunications were not valid.
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Ever heard of a plenary indulgence? It’s something like that. And it’s the status of the current bishops that’s at stake here.
 
piouswoman said:
The bolded part says we are, in his opinion, seeing control mechanisms for the faithful…it is well implied despite the “all that remained…” safety phrase, by the power of suggestion he is saying “cult”, you just can’t wriggle out of that one, try as you may.
This is yet another attack amongst many on the SSPX…no charity here, no Catholic kindness, because saying these things does great harm.
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Dear piouswoman

I realize your defenses are up and rightly so, but recognizing “cultist” characterists and trying to help another to see these are really the truest charity one can give another. People in a cult do not recognize that they are. Please go to and read this…

www.whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX//CultCharacteristics.htm

Please do not take offense, but really read all this site has to say. You may find that you feel differently, too. Or at least, it’ll give you something else to think about. Please, please, read it.👍
 
ProVobis said:
I understand (I think I read it on Fr. Z’s blog) that Vatican is considering reinstating the 3-hr fast rule on everyone.
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Is this “Fr. Z” the Father Zullsdorft ( probably not spelling it right) that leads the retreats in Connecticut? the St. Francis ones?🙂
 
piouswoman said:
Will Catholic charity ever show itself on this forum?
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Do you realize that this is the liberal’s same excuse for all the bad that they do?
“You need to be Chrissssstiannnnn! You need to just accept and be happppppppyyyyyyyy! Don’t get upssssssettttttt! Just be happppppppppyyyyyyyyyy or Chrissssssssstiannnnnnnn!” This is the same excuse use by extremists of both sides, they went so far the wrong way that they end up together.
GTG:(:mad::bigyikes:
 
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