SSPX Could Return This Week - Agreement With Rome Near

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Auntie_M said:
UNJUST behavior…my,my piouswoman, you certainly have your blinders on. I have heard and read more “NO” attacks on your sspx websites than I have ever heard here.:eek:
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That is simply not true, you know it, I know it. Calumny.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I pray that St Pius X, will guide those who chose his name, back to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, The Roman Catholic Church. and those in union with her.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Nice prayer, Deacon Ed…don’t forget though…the SSPX has never done anything but practice the same true Catholic Faith that Popes, Bishops, Saints, Martyrs, Doctors of the Church and our ancestors have practiced for nearly two-thousand years…
 
piouswoman said:
Nice prayer, Deacon Ed…don’t forget though…the SSPX has never done anything but practice the same true Catholic Faith that Popes, Bishops, Saints, Martyrs, Doctors of the Church and our ancestors have practiced for nearly two-thousand years…
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Including the disobedience of Archbishop Lefevbre?
 
piouswoman said:
Nice prayer, Deacon Ed…don’t forget though…the SSPX has never done anything but practice the same true Catholic Faith that Popes, Bishops, Saints, Martyrs, Doctors of the Church and our ancestors have practiced for nearly two-thousand years…
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I missed it. When did they say the Church was in error and the popes were wrong.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
His was a good response. I wish I had thought of it
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Real good rationale deacon ed and ethelzguy…Papolatry it is then…if your father instructed you to kill…would you? Think about this:

***When someone says, “I would rather be wrong with the pope than right without him,” they are saying in effect, “I would rather turn away from God, and by the way, the office of the papacy, to follow the person of the man who is occupying the chair of Peter.” It elevates the man above the office of the papacy and is an affront to the Holy Ghost. Not only is that not Catholic, it is in direct violation of the First Commandment.
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source:traditioninaction.org/bestof/bst003tuttle.htm
 
piouswoman said:
Real good rationale deacon ed and ethelzguy…Papolatry it is then…if your father instructed you to kill…would you? Think about this:

***When someone says, “I would rather be wrong with the pope than right without him,” they are saying in effect, “I would rather turn away from God, and by the way, the office of the papacy, to follow the person of the man who is occupying the chair of Peter.” It elevates the man above the office of the papacy and is an affront to the Holy Ghost. Not only is that not Catholic, it is in direct violation of the First Commandment.
source:traditioninaction.org/bestof/bst003tuttle.htm
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Good try, but that red herring won’t swim
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Won’t happen I know Bishop Fellay and it won’t happen in your lifetime. The talks are face to face questions regarding the destruction of catholicism since Vatican II. No need to respond the RESULTS are in, schools, convents, seminarys closed, Churches sold and turned into coffee houses. You can all speculate on what if, but the SSPX has no interest in joining the New Order(novus ordo). No I am not SSPX.
 
Truth does not hurt. I am simply rejecting a hypothetical that will never happen. Thats truth.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
piouswoman said:
Prayers and blessings to you too…even though you accept and embrace error.
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Let me get this straight…the sspx founder and leadership are excommunicated for disoedience against the Holy Father himself, sspx priest have had their faculties suspended, say illicit masses, give invalid absolution in confession and preside over invalid marriages and annulments, and fail to fulfill the sunday obligation because of their illicit masses and teeter ever, ever so closely to schism (if they haven’t already crossed over, which I, personally, think they have) and you say Deacon Ed accepts and embraces error???

I think I need some fish oil tablets after that one.
 
friendofGODs said:
Won’t happen I know Bishop Fellay and it won’t happen in your lifetime. The talks are face to face questions regarding the destruction of catholicism since Vatican II. No need to respond the RESULTS are in, schools, convents, seminarys closed, Churches sold and turned into coffee houses. You can all speculate on what if, but the SSPX has no interest in joining the New Order(novus ordo). No I am not SSPX.
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I sadly have to agree with your observations. And no I am not SSPX. Just another of those that desire peace within Holy Mother Church and unity within. Read my profile to see who we are.

God Bless
 
Timothysis said:
Let me get this straight…the sspx founder and leadership are excommunicated for disoedience against the Holy Father himself, sspx priest have had their faculties suspended, say illicit masses, give invalid absolution in confession and preside over invalid marriages and annulments, and fail to fulfill the sunday obligation because of their illicit masses and teeter ever, ever so closely to schism (if they haven’t already crossed over, which I, personally, think they have) and you say Deacon Ed accepts and embraces error???

I think I need some fish oil tablets after that one.
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You know what I have the hardest time trying to understand? Why do so many anti-SSPX people here on this forum, desire nothing more ravenously than getting the SSPX back into the “fold”? You know, you really can’t argue that it is because of your deep and authentic Catholic Charity, or your deep love and care for those poor SSPX priests and faithful…no, that is just a bit too unbelievable to swallow. Somehow, I can’t help feeling that the real dislike and desire to** crush **comes along with that desire to invite and welcome them back in…you know…“Welcome to the parlor, said the spider to the fly…”
 
I see the efforts of the Holy Father as his living and acting out the role of the good shepherd, going after the lost sheep. The problem is that any good shepherd who knows that the lost sheep will keep leading other sheep astray will remove that lost sheep from the fold. This is why I keep saying pray and pray hard. We are talking the salvation of or loss of souls here. This is why all efforts are made with a plethora of Christian charity.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
This idolatry of the Pope that we see so often now is clearly a product of the modern age of communication. Back in the Day, (pre-1960’s) before TV, satellite feeds, etc. many average Catholics were not really aware of exactly who the current Pope was. Perhaps they had seen his coronation on a newsreel at the beginning of a movie at the theater, and about six months to a year later his photo would arrive at the local parish to replace the picture of the deceased Pope, and that would mostly be it. The average Catholic didn’t know much about him, much less his advisors or the various members of the Curia. They didn’t need to know because it didn’t matter on a day-to-day basis who the actual men who held those positions were. Those men’s job was to transmit the Faith intact from their predecessors to the faithful, not “adapt” it or “modernize” it. Innovation was discouraged. The average Catholic received his knowledge of the Faith through his family, parish priest, and teachers at parochial school. One could not be shocked by something “new” the Pope or bishops had come out with because there very rarely was anything “new” from them.

The operative theory was, “Don’t fix what ain’t broke.”

Compare that to the last forty years. People hang on the Pope and bishop’s words so much now because they seem to have much more power to change things in a way that will affect the faithful’s lives.
 
JReducation said:
A decree of nullity is a statement that there never was a marriage bond. There was a wedding, but no marriage.
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But if anyone who app;lies for an annullity can get it, then why would this not mean that everyone is not married anyway in the first place. And would this not explain why more and more Catholic couples are not getting married, but simply deciding to live together, without going through the expense of a formal marriage ceremone, which has a good chance of being annulled anyway ten or fifteen years later down the line?
And plaese see the Catholic journal Homiletic and Pastoral Review, December 2005, American Annulment Mills
By Robert J. Kendra
marysadvocates.org/Kendra.html

“A worse problem for the Church is complicity in promoting divorce. A conscientious petitioner (the party seeking the annulment) would first seek an annulment to be assured that no valid sacramental marriage existed, prior to seeking a civil divorce. However, faced with this request, tribunal officials respond that a divorce is required prior to accepting an application for annulment, allegedly to assure that the marriage is irreconcilable. But Jesus clearly condemned divorce even without remarriage, “Therefore, what God has joined together let no man put asunder” (Mk 10:9), and canon 1060 stipulates, “in doubt the validity of a marriage must be upheld until the contrary is proven.” Therefore, a tribunal must prejudge the marriage to be invalid prior to judging its validity, in order to justify a divorce preceding an annulment. Assurances of obtaining an easy annulment, given by the pro-annulment pastoral tribunals to perplexed petitioners (little or no effort is made toward reconciling the couple), actually precipitates the divorce. Once divorce is granted, which is a given with no-fault divorce laws, the tribunal is programmed to grant an annulment.”
marysadvocates.org/Kendra.html

If any Catholic can get an annulment, then who out there in the Catholic world is really married?
 
Margarite said:
And, as far as what I am doing. Well, I am 19, so outside of this forum, most people won’t listen, I have tried joining my local youth group, but the leader (who knew nothing) wouldn’t let me help her, and it was horrible:
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So, basically, nothing is being done about the problems that have arisen in the Church since Vatican II. More an more couples are using contraceptives and more and more marriages are being declared null and void, and nothing is being done about it.
 
piouswoman said:
You know what I have the hardest time trying to understand? Why do so many anti-SSPX people here on this forum, desire nothing more ravenously than getting the SSPX back into the “fold”? You know, you really can’t argue that it is because of your deep and authentic Catholic Charity, or your deep love and care for those poor SSPX priests and faithful…no, that is just a bit too unbelievable to swallow. Somehow, I can’t help feeling that the real dislike and desire to** crush **comes along with that desire to invite and welcome them back in…you know…“Welcome to the parlor, said the spider to the fly…”
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Pious woman, this is where you are wrong. What I say is with deepest concern for each and every member of SSPX. I do not want to see them excommunicated. I want to see union, for no other reason than for the salvation of souls. Having read almost all of the other responses, I feel that that is the underlying reason for most. You have never heard me say, or seen me write that we just as soon excommunicate them and get it over with. I hope and pray that it never comes to this. I could not wish that on anyone and am glad that I am not the one who would have to make that decision. I truly feel this is why the Holy Father is proceeding as he is. But as I said in another post, if a lost sheep keeps leading the flock astray, the shepherd will have to take action for the sake of the flock.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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