SSPX Info, updates and interviews

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JReducation said:
These people who are going out of their way to label this man have a reason. Their reason is an intense hatred for the Vatican. They think that it’s about tradition, but it’s running away with them.
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I went out and read a few of these threads elsewhere and my sense is that the people acting like this are mostly just frightened of change coming to their comfortable chapel.

The number one gripe, by far, is that everything is being done in secret.

They seem to feel like they ought to be able to know everything under proposal so they can personally consider the best course of action and tell Bishop Fellay what to do.

Personally I think I lot of this wailing and gnashing of teeth will die down once everything is announced. If you presume that Bishop Fellay will not suddenly turn his back on what he has been saying for the past 18 years (and I do so presume), then most of these people will see that they were worrying about something happening that didn’t end up happening.
 
JReducation said:
What these folks are not listening to is what the Bishop has said at least three times this week. “The Pope wants this NOW.” None of us are being given an option here. Those inside are not being asked if we want the SSPX back. The SSPX is not being asked if it wants to remain in its current state. The pope wants closure on this NOW. He wants the SSPX in or gone out of the Catholic Church, not in an irregular status.
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In the forum I was reading they just seemed to notice this today.
That’s not surprising to me either. I didn’t notice it at first until you pointed it out Brother JR.
 
JReducation said:
We have to shy away from seeing out Church as our enemy. That’s very dangerous to the soul of the individual and to the soul of the Church.

Criticizing this news service is not the same as criticizing the Church. It has been my experience that they provide a good service. But I think you have gone too far when you say that someone crictizing CNS is “seeing the church as our enemy.” CNS is not the church. It is a news servce that comes with a Catholic point of view. As they say on their website:

While created in 1920 by the bishops of the United States, CNS is **editorially independent **and a financially self-sustaining division of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. CNS is staffed by trained, professional journalists; all eligible nonmanagement staffers are members of The Newspaper Guild/Communications Workers of America.
The pope wants closure on this NOW. He wants the SSPX in or gone out of the Catholic Church, not in an irregular status. He prefers that they stay, because he really cares for them. But they can’t take advantage of his love either.
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JReducation said:
The SSPX is a greater threat to Christian unity because it has bishops. It can perpetuate itself. Those other liberal wing groups don’t have their own bishops, seminaries, clergy etc.

The SSPX has money to sustain itself indefinitely. These other groups can’t do that. They’ll fade away only to be replaced by another group. This has been going on for centuries on the left.

History has proven that heretical movements begin from the right, usually with very scrupulous leaders.

The SSPX has often taken positions and made statements that threaten the pope’s personal apostolate, which is ecumenism, positions that endanger the lives of Christians in certain countries.

The SSPX has been blamed for dissent among religious of other orders, which have led to excommunications of these religious. Obviously, these are big boys and girls who have to take responsibility for their behavior. But there have been SSPX superiors who have encouraged them. You can’t mess with three of the top 10 religious orders in the Church without people getting very concerned. Something has to be done with those religious, because they cannot be readmitted to their original communities. A prelature may help. You can group them into one body under the prelate.

Left-wing groups have been around since the time of Adam. None survives more than two generations.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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A very interesting observation Brother. This statement most certainly has historical evidence to support it.

One could be suspicious that may change in the future - looking at a few university systems (that retain the name Catholic) lead by a religious order that appeal to many many nominal Christians. Yet, as you noted there is not the obvious willful effort to be lead by a bishop in opposition to the authority of the Holy See. Just hints of further trouble down the road.

Hopefully it’s a misguided suspicion on my part.
 
I sincerely hope this separation ends in unity. I’m encouraged by the words I hear. My father was supportive of the SSPX. I never understood and feared this in light of dissent growing up. But I did empathize with his feelings. However, my father’s support of conservative dissent was just as harmful to my faith as the leftist movement ultimately leaving me to believe there was no unity of belief… all was lost in translations. I try to understand these issues I really consider social and cultural in nature now.
 
JReducation said:
The SSPX is a greater threat to Christian unity because it has bishops. It can perpetuate itself. Those other liberal wing groups don’t have their own bishops, seminaries, clergy etc.
The SSPX has money to sustain itself indefinitely. These other groups can’t do that. They’ll fade away only to be replaced by another group. This has been going on for centuries on the left.
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poorsinner7 said:
I sincerely hope this separation ends in unity. I’m encouraged by the words I hear. My father was supportive of the SSPX. I never understood and feared this in light of dissent growing up. But I did empathize with his feelings. However, my father’s support of conservative dissent was just as harmful to my faith as the leftist movement ultimately leaving me to believe there was no unity of belief… all was lost in translations. I try to understand these issues I really consider social and cultural in nature now.
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I had parents who also dissented from the “spirit of Vatican 2” back in the 70s (which was not Vatican 2). It’s very difficult for people today to understand the motives and the raw feelings of Catholics of that generation because they are looking at the situation today as if it were the same situation 40 years ago. It wasn’t.
The first generation of traditionalists didn’t call themselves “trads” back then, they were just Catholic, period. All they wanted was a Latin Mass and were told it was “banned” or “illegal”. And if you went to a Latin Mass given by a retired priest validly ordained in the Catholic Church they were told they were no longer Catholic.
They were not radicals or revolutionaries or theologions. They were just working-class Catholics who simply wanted what they always had. They were marginalized, and made pariahs by the very clergy they expected to shepherd them.
This situation with the SSPX is far more complicated than many realize and the history is not as cut and dry as many imagine.
IMO, there was enough blame to go around on both sides of the Vatican 2 pond.
 
Communique on the Society of St. Pius X

Vatican City, 16 May 2012 (VIS) - Early this afternoon, the Holy See Press Office issued the following communique regarding the Society of St. Pius X:
“As reported by news agencies, today, 16 May 2012, an Ordinary Session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith met to discuss the question of the Society of St. Pius X.
In particular, the text of the response of Bishop Bernard Fellay, received on 17 April, 2012, was examined and some observations, which will be considered in further discussions between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, were formulated.
Regarding the positions taken by the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, their situations will have to be dealt with separately and singularly”.

vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=5eb79266-fc2a-d4b5-5855-4fb39d6467dc&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1
 
YoungTradCath said:
Communique on the Society of St. Pius X

Vatican City, 16 May 2012 (VIS) - Early this afternoon, the Holy See Press Office issued the following communique regarding the Society of St. Pius X:
“As reported by news agencies, today, 16 May 2012, an Ordinary Session of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith met to discuss the question of the Society of St. Pius X.
In particular, the text of the response of Bishop Bernard Fellay, received on 17 April, 2012, was examined and some observations, which will be considered in further discussions between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, were formulated.
Regarding the positions taken by the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, their situations will have to be dealt with separately and singularly”.

vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=5eb79266-fc2a-d4b5-5855-4fb39d6467dc&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1
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Hi YTC,

I cannot read the entire article, LINK is not opening up???:o

Could you please post it again 🙂

Thank you!👍

God Bless,

PAX
 
Nothing we didn’t already know, I don’t think. Although one notable piece:
YoungTradCath said:
“Regarding the positions taken by the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, their situations will have to be dealt with separately and singularly”.
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I think this is the first time that, through official channels, it has been released that the other three Bishops are not on the same page regarding re-unification.
 
Melchior said:
Nothing we didn’t already know, I don’t think. Although one notable piece:

I think this is the first time that, through official channels, it has been released that the other three Bishops are not on the same page regarding re-unification.
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Since the SSPX is a society of priests it makes sense that each Bishop would be dealt with separately.
 
poorsinner7 said:
I blame the Elvis, or at least the Beatles. 😃
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In all seriousness that generational divide and the culture wars of the era played a large part in making what could have been a slight hiccup into a major belch.
My parents were horrified at our Catholic school putting on Godspell. I didn’t get it at the time, now almost 40 years later I do.
And lets face it, there were some beautiful songs in the play…but Jesus in clown makeup? I kinda get their point now.
 
JustaServant said:
Since the SSPX is a society of priests it makes sense that each Bishop would be dealt with separately.
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What you say is true, but the larger point with the bishops is that there is a clear split in them that must be dealt with. The comments from the Vatican about having to deal with them separately from the one Bishop Fellay is that they have basically already made a solidified declaration of their opinions via a leaked letter.
 
JustaServant said:
In all seriousness that generational divide and the culture wars of the era played a large part in making what could have been a slight hiccup into a major belch.
My parents were horrified at our Catholic school putting on Godspell. I didn’t get it at the time, now almost 40 years later I do.
And lets face it, there were some beautiful songs in the play…but Jesus in clown makeup? I kinda get their point now.
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Perhaps you mean in your analogy a major GI tract transplant!
 
YoungTradCath said:
What you say is true, but the larger point with the bishops is that there is a clear split in them that must be dealt with. The comments from the Vatican about having to deal with them separately from the one Bishop Fellay is that they have basically already made a solidified declaration of their opinions via a leaked letter.
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IMHO if any Bishop is leading the radicals it is Bishop Williamson. I’ve only read a few of his articles on other sites, and my observation is he nearly has both feet in Sede territory. All Protestant groups rely on the premise that at some point in history, the Catholic Church went apostate, so now that forces them to start a new group. They wait for the CC to admit thier errors (agree with them) and then they will come back.
As Brother Jr. has asserted many times, problems in the Church have never been solved from the outside, only from the inside.
Bishop Williamson seems to be going in the direction of every other Protestant group in history.
 
JustaServant said:
Since the SSPX is a society of priests it makes sense that each Bishop would be dealt with separately.
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No, because there is only one society and only one superior. I think what we are seeing is an additional demension of the fact the +LB ordained 4 bishops instead of just the 1 originally discussed.

I am however very happy to see that reunification is moving forward. I’d love to see an announcement on the Feast of the Ascension, but Pentacost is more likely.
 
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