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corsair
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I’ve got four different Novena’s going and 10 Rosaries every day for the successful outcome of the Reconciliation.
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Mark1970
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I’m also praying for the outcome of this.
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Hesychios
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Is it your opinion that multiplying your efforts in this way is more efficacious?
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Planty_Pall
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Clearly, there are two ways of increasing the efficacy of our prayer. One is by saying our prayers better. Another is by saying more prayers. Jesus taught us about the poor woman who continually hassled the judge. Jesus says he finally gave in to her requests to teach us that God might sometimes hear us who aren’t necessarily as recollected and eloquent as we might wish, if we just keep it up.
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At_Trent
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Yesterday, at Ruffec (Indre Department, Centre, France), Bishop Fellay [the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X - FSSPX / SSPX] received the first vows of a religious woman of the Society [the Sisters of Saint Pius X]. In the end of his sermon, he addressed the ongoing discussions with Rome.
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If nothing, or close to nothing, has been said, it is because things are more complex than they may appear.
Rome has presented two proposals to the Fraternity of Saint Pius X: one doctrinal, the other canonical. Neither one, nor the other are clear. These two texts are modifiable, they can be rewritten, their essence being preserved. The problem is to find out what the essence is. There are lots of questions, but not many answers.
Rome moves one step towards the Fraternity. The latter must examine it seriously. The texts will be the object of a very attentive study. The Fraternity will not sign a text that is not clear. It will not do anything that may diminish its Faith or the spirit of its Faith. And it will not make a move if it is not certain of the good intentions regarding it. And, according to each different curial prelate that is questioned, a different response may be obtained.
It is a decisive phase, which, whatever its outcome, will not be without consequences.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/two-proposals-and-how-sspx-superior.html
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If nothing, or close to nothing, has been said, it is because things are more complex than they may appear.
Rome has presented two proposals to the Fraternity of Saint Pius X: one doctrinal, the other canonical. Neither one, nor the other are clear. These two texts are modifiable, they can be rewritten, their essence being preserved. The problem is to find out what the essence is. There are lots of questions, but not many answers.
Rome moves one step towards the Fraternity. The latter must examine it seriously. The texts will be the object of a very attentive study. The Fraternity will not sign a text that is not clear. It will not do anything that may diminish its Faith or the spirit of its Faith. And it will not make a move if it is not certain of the good intentions regarding it. And, according to each different curial prelate that is questioned, a different response may be obtained.
It is a decisive phase, which, whatever its outcome, will not be without consequences.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/two-proposals-and-how-sspx-superior.html
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Dragonslayer
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The stance from the Society is understandable, as one of their greatest complaints of Vatican II was the ambiguous wording emanating from it.
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NewsTheMan
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I’ll repeat what I said in a similar thread.
Looks like, from what Bishop Fellay has said, the FSSPX will not be signing. Personally, I think at best it will be another couple of years before they sign anything.
Looks like, from what Bishop Fellay has said, the FSSPX will not be signing. Personally, I think at best it will be another couple of years before they sign anything.
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Marjorie_Mary
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Is it permitted to receive Holy Communion at a Piux X mass as yet?
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At_Trent
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Megan7
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Thanks for the update “At Trent”!
We have to keep praying!
God Bless,
Pax,
Megan
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Chaldean_Rite
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Hesychios:
Is it your opinion, that this persons efforts are in vain? By virtue of you asking the question, I’d be willing to be this is what you think. In many Orthodox liturgies, they repeat a lot of stuff. Still vain? Did you ask a similar question to your bishop about why they say the “Peace be to all” like 8 or 9 times? What did he say?
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corsair
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Thanks to those of you that defended my statements, Chaldean Rite and Planty Pall.
Hesychios, do think that it may be possible to not only increase the quantity of my prayers but also the quality of them. Well, I can asure you that it is indeed possible.
You see I’m retired and have lots of extra time and I have a “soft spot” in my heart for the SSPX.
Hesychios, do think that it may be possible to not only increase the quantity of my prayers but also the quality of them. Well, I can asure you that it is indeed possible.
You see I’m retired and have lots of extra time and I have a “soft spot” in my heart for the SSPX.
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Celticnovice
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“Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world.”
–Blessed Pope Pius IX
–Blessed Pope Pius IX
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pnewton
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Here is a better answer.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=465342&highlight=sspx
I think the way the question was worded, the answer has to be no, that it is not a sin in and of itself, even though the priest has no licit ministry in the Catholic Church. The Mass remains valid.
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freshwind
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that response was in 2010…this was posted in the other SSPX thread, this is more current and from an authority figure within the Church.
renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/070410
the times, they are a’changin’
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Hesychios
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What made you think I was attacking you?
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pnewton
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LOLthat response was in 2010…this was posted in the other SSPX thread, this is more current and from an authority figure within the Church.
renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/070410
the times, they are a’changin’
The article linked is from 2007.It also only lists one side of what Cardinal Hoyos, Cardinal Castillion and Msr. Perl have said. I suspect that is why the source materials are not linked in the article.
The status of the SSPX has not change in one year. I was trying to give a Catholic point of view. Namely, the priests of the SSPX still do not legitimately exercise ministry within the Catholic Church. Their bishops are no longer excommunicated and their status is irregular, whatever that means. That is the current situation. Whether times really are “a’changin”, well, that ball is now in the SSPX court. I for one find it premature to speculate on what they will do. I will agree with those here that now is the time for prayer, not change. Not yet.
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freshwind
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oops…my bad…LOL
yes, definitely in their court…hopefully, all works out well, but at the end of the day, we must trust the Holy Spirit to guide us to the correct outcome
yes, definitely in their court…hopefully, all works out well, but at the end of the day, we must trust the Holy Spirit to guide us to the correct outcome
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