SSPX Mass and their Sacraments

[filiae]

I have often thought about going to an SSPX chapel but I don’t want to be outside of the Church. But then when I look at the NO parishes near me I think that THEY are outside of the Church.

 

[maurin]

I have often thought about going to an SSPX chapel but I don’t want to be outside of the Church. But then when I look at the NO parishes near me I think that THEY are outside of the Church.

not worry…the Pope, in his accompanying letter of the Motu Proprio, addressed to the Bishops, describes the Society’s status as one being an internal matter of reconciliation within the Church.

 

[filiae]

not worry…the Pope, in his accompanying letter of the Motu Proprio, addressed to the Bishops, describes the Society’s status as one being an internal matter of reconciliation within the Church.

What does ‘internal matter of reconciliation’ mean? Sometimes reading these posts, I feel pretty dumb.

 

[pnewton]

not worry…

It is just as wrong to focus only one the word “internal” as it is “reconciliation.” The Church has also warned people of the faithful of danger the SSPX presents. The Church’s position is a long way from “don’t worry.” Indeed concept of the issue being an internal matter should preclude judgement as to their state one way or the other.

 

[pnewton]

What does ‘internal matter of reconciliation’ mean? Sometimes reading these posts, I feel pretty dumb.

That has never been defined. Some take it as a statement of support for the SSPX, some the opposite. I believe it is more of a “no comment” or “we’re not saying yet.”

 

[maurin]

It is just as wrong to focus only one the word “internal” as it is “reconciliation.” The Church has also warned people of the faithful of danger the SSPX presents. The Church’s position is a long way from “don’t worry.” Indeed concept of the issue being an internal matter should preclude judgement as to their state one way or the other.

how about focussing instead on ‘within the Church.’ Not outside Her, but within Her?

pnewton, is the Priest who habitually preaches that masturbation and pre-marital sex are matters between the individual and God alone, and not matters for the Church to decide, is he “within” or “without” the Church? How about the priest’s Bishop who habitually declines to respond to those who call this preaching to the Bishop’s attention? Is he ‘within’ or ‘without?’

Or don’t you care?

 

[pnewton]

pnewton, is the Priest who habitually preaches that masturbation and pre-marital sex are matters between the individual and God alone, and not matters for the Church to decide, is he “within” or “without” the Church? How about the priest’s Bishop who habitually declines to respond to those who call this preaching to the Bishop’s attention?

They are within the Church until such a time the Church annonunces differently, although some things do incur automatic excommunication, so some are without the Church. In fact, so have gone so far with their teaching as to be schismatic in heart, or in fact. I agree that this happens in the opposite direction also. That is why we need to stick as closely as we can to the Church and her teachings. The authority is there for a reason.

 

[I_Believe]

I, personally, would be greatly surprised if Pope Benedict XVI removed the excommunications, since, as Cardinal Ratzinger, he was in the middle of the negotiations with the sspx and knows exactly the state of the issues at hand.

Tim, a reliable source has noted that the letter lifting the excommuncations is on the pope’s desk. (I’ll have to look for the link to support this statement)

What is unlikely, is that the SSPX will do what is required to have the letter signed and released, before discussions on certain issues of Doctrine are addressed.

And, IMO, there is the issue of money. Some of the SSPX’s supporters will withdraw their support if the SSPX were to regularize before the matters of Doctrine are discussed.

I have a hunch that the support lost would be made up by those who would support the SSPX when they regularize.

Again, this in my opinion. I may be wrong. I may be right.

I pray they regularize, but I fear they won’t during BXVI’s pontificate. And I pray I’m wrong about that.

 

[franklinf]

Tim, a reliable source has noted that the letter lifting the excommuncations is on the pope’s desk. (I’ll have to look for the link to support this statement)

What is unlikely, is that the SSPX will do what is required to have the letter signed and released, before discussions on certain issues of Doctrine are addressed.

And, IMO, there is the issue of money. Some of the SSPX’s supporters will withdraw their support if the SSPX were to regularize before the matters of Doctrine are discussed.

I have a hunch that the support lost would be made up by those who would support the SSPX when they regularize.

Again, this in my opinion. I may be wrong. I may be right.

I pray they regularize, but I fear they won’t during BXVI’s pontificate. And I pray I’m wrong about that.

Is this what you were referring to?

newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/11/decree-for-lifting-of-excommunications.html

wdtprs.com/blog/2008/11/rumor-pope-benedict-considering-lifting-sspx-excommunications/

I wouldn’t be surprised if the beginnings of regularization occur during Benedict XVI’s pontificate (such as the lifting of the excommunications). He seems to be much more friendly to Tradition.

 

[pnewton]

I pray they regularize, but I fear they won’t during BXVI’s pontificate. And I pray I’m wrong about that.

That is really the only role the faithful have in the matter. The “internal matter” should let us all know we will not have the whole story and could be dead wrong about many things regarding the SSPX and their status.