SSPX Mass question

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Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?

Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
 
a83192 said:
Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?

Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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The Society of St. Pius X is not recognized as a Catholic organization.
 
Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?
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Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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Yes.
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As far as I know, everyone acknowledges that the SSPX have no canonical status in the Church.
 
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Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?
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Yes.
Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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Yes.

Keep in mind, though, that they are irregular. SSPX does not have a canonically regular status. Therefore, their bishops may not licitly ordain men to the priesthood. Nor has the local Ordinary given them faculties to absolve sins, as required by canon law. Therefore, while participating in an SSPX Mass would be a valid, but licit, exercise, any absolutions they attempt would be invalid.
 
ConstantineTG said:
What is and what is not a Catholic then? Are Old Catholics, Catholic? Are Sedevacantists Catholic? Are the Orthodox Catholic?
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If you’re not in schism and have irregular status, that means you are still within the Catholic Church. Until the Holy See says so, they remain Catholic even though some wish they weren’t.
 
a83192 said:
Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?

Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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My understanding is that all the sacraments confired by the bishops an/or priests that are members of this organization are valid, but ilicit, as they have been validly, but ilicitly ordained.

This is what I found on Wikipedia under the SSPX article(I know that isnt the greatest of sources):
In his letter of 10 March 2009 concerning his remission of the excommunication of the four bishops of the Society of St Pius X, Pope Benedict XVI declared: “Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.”
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TrueLight said:
If you’re not in schism and have irregular status, that means you are still within the Catholic Church. Until the Holy See says so, they remain Catholic even though some wish they weren’t.
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So if you have irregular status and have no ministry in the Church, is their Masses which they shouldn’t be saying publicly in the first place, Catholic?
 
TrueLight said:
If you’re not in schism and have irregular status, that means you are still within the Catholic Church. Until the Holy See says so, they remain Catholic even though some wish they weren’t.
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837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops.
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a83192 said:
Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?

Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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Unfortunately, it seems Yes…
 
a83192 said:
Are the priests of the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius the X) validly ordained, meaning do they have the mark of the sacrament of Orders on their souls?

Does transubstantiation occur at the consecrations of their Masses?
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Yes, they are validly ordained. Yes, transubstantiation does occur.

However, they are not licitly ordained; and they cannot legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.
 
Anybody who claims:
  1. SSPX are in schism
  2. SSPX are not Catholic
  3. SSPX are heretics
Are in direct contradiction to the Church on this matter. Put it in your pipe and smoke it. You can wish it all you want, but it just aint true. btw, not an SSPXer, I am largely critical of them, but truth is truth, and it is tiring to see the same things posted over and over and over again. Suspended priests are not schismatics or heretics or non-Catholics.
 
FrDavid96 said:
Yes, they are validly ordained. Yes, transubstantiation does occur.

However, they are not licitly ordained; and they cannot legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.
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Question for you, Fr David:

If intent is required and it must be the intent to “do what the church does”, what about an SSPX priest who:
  1. Thinks that the church has “fallen away” and therefore does not offer valid sacraments
  2. therefore intends to do what he believes the Church no longer can…
In other words, since he intends to do something he thinks the church is NOT capable of doing, does the invalidate the intent requirement of “Doing what the church does” and therefore render the consecration by such a priest invalid?
 
The Lefebvrists seem to occupy a singular status since their excommunications were lifted. I am also intrigued to see if anybody can provided some actual documentation as to the validity of their ordinations and sacraments. I’ve seen a lot of assertions in this thread going both directions, but nothing to back it up. Anybody got any citations?
 
Big_Feet said:
My understanding is that all the sacraments confired by the bishops an/or priests that are members of this organization are valid, but ilicit, as they have been validly, but ilicitly ordained.

This is what I found on Wikipedia under the SSPX article(I know that isnt the greatest of sources):
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Marriage and confession require faculties from the local bishop to be valid. The priests and bishop of the SSPX lack these faculties so not all the sacraments from the SSPX are valid.
 
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