And Cardinal Kaspar runs about saying all manner of things that don’t jive with the actual teaching of the Church. A handful of cardinals, the entire college of cardinals, does not trump the pope. According to the Servant of God Pope John Paul II in Ecclesia Dei., they are indeed excommunicate and schismatic. Until we hear otherwise, we have to objectively assume this is still their status.I haven’t seen where the Church has made a formal judgement about their Schimatic state.
What I HAVE read is Cardinal Castrillos statement on the matter
As he is more learned that in, and in the Pontifically delegated authority on the matter, I would lean towards his judement than my own personal interpretation of Church law.
Correct, but the Church requires that She be represented by an authorized witness at any marriage involving a Catholic. This is a part of Church discipline which anyone who professes to be Catholic has accepted as binding on him.I thought the Man and Woman conferred the sacrament upon each other?..not the Priest…Is this correct?
Again, the question is not really “are they validly ordained”? The questions should be “do they have faculties from the local bishop”? One should certainly try and stop someone from entering into an invalid marriage One can think what they like about schism and the SSPX but this has nothing to do with the validity of the marriage. Even those priests in good standing without a doubt cannot officiate unless they’ve first received faculties from the local bishop.rather a SSPX priest who may not even be validly ordained
Wait… Even the Vatican admits that the priests are validly ordained, meaning they have completely valid Sacraments. The Vatican claims that the bishops are excommunicated and the priests are in schism - this does not apply to the lay people!
Secondly, the issue of excommunication and schism is debatable - I personally do not believe SSPX is in schism after reviewing Canon Law.
Bascically, do not stop or impede their marriage. They are living a truly Catholic lifestyle - they are not heretics. Please use your time and try to convert protestants, Jews, or true heretics/schismatics. They need conversion - SSPX does not.
I suggest you read Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre by Michael Davies
So what happens if the SSPX Church is on a remote Pacific Island (like Vanuatu) which has no juridisction by any non-SSPX Bishop?the priest who is officiating must have faculties given to him from the local bishop no matter what his status
Presumably any parcel of the world that remains unincorporated into the structure of a diocese, vicariate, etc. would fall under the jurisdiction of a dicastery like Propaganda Fidei. The Church does think of these things, it’s not like she’s going to say, “What, we haven’t assigned a bishop there, okay I guess you can get married by a suspended priest with no faculties.”So what happens if the SSPX Church is on a remote Pacific Island (like Vanuatu) which has no juridisction by any non-SSPX Bishop?
Than what?
Couldnt the couple just do what you would do, in an emergency situation??Presumably any parcel of the world that remains unincorporated into the structure of a diocese, vicariate, etc. would fall under the jurisdiction of a dicastery like Propaganda Fidei. The Church does think of these things, it’s not like she’s going to say, “What, we haven’t assigned a bishop there, okay I guess you can get married by a suspended priest with no faculties.”
I doubt that your opinion on Canon Law affects anything.. . .Secondly, the issue of excommunication and schism is debatable - I personally do not believe SSPX is in schism after reviewing Canon Law. . . .
Are you saying that there is no priest with faculties available and there is no way to contact the bishop within a reasonable time?Couldnt the couple just do what you would do, in an emergency situation??
I Thought that in an emergency, all that was required to confer the sacrament of matrimony, was that, both parties be baptized, in a state of grace, and Mutual consent…Is this correct??
Europeans did this for hundreds of years without the Witness of the Church, It was only later, that the Church began, to regularlize the Sacrament.
Yes, couples used to be able to do that, but since it gave rise to a large number of abuses of the sacrament the Church stepped in to regulate things in its defense. And, of course, it doesn’t do much good to talk about emergencies for the topic at hand, since these adherents of the SSPX are not living on a remote island but have access to a Catholic priest with faculties.Couldnt the couple just do what you would do, in an emergency situation??
I Thought that in an emergency, all that was required to confer the sacrament of matrimony, was that, both parties be baptized, in a state of grace, and Mutual consent…Is this correct??
Europeans did this for hundreds of years without the Witness of the Church, It was only later, that the Church began, to regularlize the Sacrament.