SSPX Myths

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In the short time that I have frequented this board, I have witnessed a number of untruths, perpetuated with alarming regularity, regarding the Society of St. Pius X. Although much longer refutations are readily available, the purpose of this post is to dispel those myths in concise fashion.

Myth #1: The SSPX has been excommunicated.

When in 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated without a papal mandate four bishops, Pope John Paul II invoked the latae sententiae excommunication of Canon 1382 to be applied to the Archbishop as well as to the four newly-consecrated bishops.

However, according to Canon 1323, the penalty cannot be applied to one who “acted under the compulsion of grave fear, even if only relative, or by reason of necessity or grave inconvenience” (1324.4). Furthermore, the conditions causing the grave fear or the perceived necessity or the perceived grave inconvenience need not be objectively verifiable. It is enough that the one violating a law “thought, through no personal fault, that some one of the circumstances existed which are mentioned in 1323.4” (1323.7).

The following are well-documented perceptions of the Archbishop (and the bishops he consecrated):
  1. A grave fear that without traditional bishops to ordain traditional priests, the traditional Catholic faith, sacraments, and practices would all die, leading consequently to the loss of many souls (which is in contradiction to the Supreme Law of the Church).
  2. That traditional bishops are absolutely necessary for the propagation of traditional Catholic faith, sacraments, and practices.
  3. That, based on many months of failed negotiations, Rome would only approve the consecrations if the Society was willing to make compromises against Tradition.
Conclusion: Based on Canon 1323, the latae sententiae penalty of excommunication does not apply in this particular case.

Myth #2: The SSPX is in schism.

According to Canon 751, “Schism is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” It is true that Archbishop Lefebvre made an act of disobedience by conducting the consecrations without a papal mandate. “However, not every disobedience is a schism; in order to possess this character it must include besides the transgression of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right to command” (Catholic Encyclopedia).

Neither the Archbishop nor any member of the society he founded denies the divine right of command granted to the Pope.

From a July 1, 2008 press release by the Society: “The SSPX does not claim the exercise of a magisterium superior to the Holy Father’s, nor does it seek to oppose the Church. Following in the footsteps of its founder, it wants to hand down what it has received, namely ‘what has always been believed everywhere and by all.’ It claims as its own the profession of faith addressed by Archbishop Lefebvre to Paul VI on September 24, 1975: ‘Jesus Christ has entrusted to His Vicar the charge of confirming his brethren in the faith, and has asked him to make sure that every bishop faithfully keep the deposit of the faith, according to St. Paul’s recommendation to Timothy.’”

From the current front page of the Society’s English website: “The Society of St. Pius X professes filial devotion and loyalty to Pope Benedict XVI, the Successor of Saint Peter and the Vicar of Christ. The priests of the SSPX pray for the intentions of the Holy Father and the welfare of the local Ordinary at every Mass they celebrate.”

Conclusion: The SSPX is not in schism because it denies neither the ruling office of the papacy nor the particular present occupant of that office, nor even his predecessor.

Myth #3: The SSPX has no jurisdiction.

It is true that the priests of the SSPX have been denied ordinary jurisdiction. In extraordinary circumstances, however, the Church can and does supply jurisdiction (Canon 144), even to censured priests (Canon 1335), based on the general principles of the law’s purpose (Canon 19), the highest of which is the salvation of souls (Canon 1752).

In the time since the Second Vatican Council, many Catholic souls have cried out for the traditional mass, the traditional sacraments, the traditional practices—in short, the traditional faith—in order to save their souls, and have been denied by their local ordinaries. The Society of St. Pius X, seeking to carry out the normal mission of the apostolic church, has responded to these pleas in charity and with supplied jurisdiction.

Conclusion: Although the SSPX does not have ordinary jurisdiction, it has legitimate claim to supplied jurisdiction, which is provided via Canon Law.

Myth #4: SSPX masses are invalid.

There is no dispute among the Roman Curia that the priests of the SSPX are validly ordained (see, for instance, Msgr. Perl’s letter to Una Voce). Therefore, so long as such a priest uses—minimally at the consecration—proper form (guaranteed by the 1962 TLM missal) and likewise intends what the Church has always intended by those words, the Mass is a valid one.

Conclusion: Although technically illicit by way of current censures, the masses offered by the Society of St. Pius X are valid.

Christian charity demands that these damaging myths not be perpetuated, especially on a discussion board such as this one, which presumably is interested in all things true as they pertain to Catholic tradition.
 
The question is, why would anyone risk their soul by dabbling in a society that is in an irregular state with Rome to begin with?

Splitting hairs over one’s personal opinion as to whether the excommunications were valid is a topic that has been beaten to death. Rome is the final authority on the matter.

Attempting to defend the SSPX accomplishes no useful purpose. They are seperated from Rome at this time.
 
The question is, why would anyone risk their soul by dabbling in a society that is in an irregular state with Rome to begin with?

Splitting hairs over one’s personal opinion as to whether the excommunications were valid is a topic that has been beaten to death. Rome is the final authority on the matter.

Attempting to defend the SSPX accomplishes no useful purpose. They are seperated from Rome at this time.
Amazingly, I agree with you completely.
 
Before you jump on this board to attempt to educate everybody, you might be interested to know that this subject has been done to death. What you describe as “myths” are only opinions, which I for one do not agree with. Also, both questions have been addressed by the staff here. They too disagree with your opinion.
 
The question is, why would anyone risk their soul by dabbling in a society that is in an irregular state with Rome to begin with?
What, so quickly off topic? The original post does not encourage anyone to “dabble” in the Society of St. Pius X. It exhorts you and others to stop spreading myths. Is it so hard to refrain from calumny?
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Attempting to defend the SSPX accomplishes no useful purpose. They are seperated from Rome at this time.
Cardinal Hoyos, President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission: “Msgr. Lefebvre went ahead with the consecration and hence the situation of separation came about, even if it was not a formal schism.”

“They are inside the Church; there is only lacking a full, a more perfect — as was said in the meeting with Msgr. Fellay — a fuller communion, because there is communion.”

Link to Brian Mershon’s article, from which these quotations are taken.
 
Before you jump on this board to attempt to educate everybody,
Not everybody … but I apologize if it came off that way.
you might be interested to know that this subject has been done to death.
Actually, that was my assumption. Imagine my surprise then at the apparent need of many to keep beating a dead thing.
What you describe as “myths” are only opinions, which I for one do not agree with.
Good!
Also, both questions have been addressed by the staff here. They too disagree with your opinion.
Both questions?
 
Is it true that the SSPX does not acknowledge the Catholic Church’s annulment process, and will not perform a marriage for someone who has a Catholic annulment?
 
Just an observation. Anyone who would follow a group that does not recognize the Magisterium, being the Pope and those bishops in union with him, are on shaky ground at best. Imagine having all your bishops excommunicated, arguing that this is “a mistake” and believing that they are perfectly OK, tells me all I need to know. When Rome says they are home, I will say OK, not until.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Does that mean you’ll attend one of their Masses? Cool. :cool:
While I had not thought of it, I just very well may. Tell me, how does it differ from the Latin Mass at present. To my knowledge, I don’t think it does, but I cannot say for sure. I have been attending the Novus Ordo since it came out. I did attend the Latin Mass for close to 30 years until the Novus Ordo came out. It would be a nice trip down memory lane.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Is it true that the SSPX does not acknowledge the Catholic Church’s annulment process, and will not perform a marriage for someone who has a Catholic annulment?
I don’t feel qualified to answer that question. The Society’s views regarding post-conciliar annulments can be studied here.
 
Just an observation. Anyone who would follow a group that does not recognize the Magisterium, being the Pope and those bishops in union with him, are on shaky ground at best.
Please see Myth #2 in the original post.
Imagine having all your bishops excommunicated,
There you go again. (See Myth #1 in the original post.)
arguing that this is “a mistake” and believing that they are perfectly OK, tells me all I need to know. When Rome says they are home, I will say OK, not until.
That’s fine. In the meantime, would you mind refraining from false proclamations regarding the SSPX?

I get the impression that many here think highly of you–and probably deservedly so–which is an excellent reason to remain silent on an issue about which you are, apparently, mostly ignorant.
 
Please see Myth #2 in the original post.

There you go again. (See Myth #1 in the original post.)

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It is a myth only if we accept your personal interpeation of canon 1323 and 1324. Unless you can show the Church agrees with you Ill stick with them.
 
While I had not thought of it, I just very well may. Tell me, how does it differ from the Latin Mass at present. To my knowledge, I don’t think it does, but I cannot say for sure. I have been attending the Novus Ordo since it came out. I did attend the Latin Mass for close to 30 years until the Novus Ordo came out. It would be a nice trip down memory lane.
If what you’re seeking is a trip down memory lane, perhaps you could go to your local EF tomorrow, assuming your diocese has one. That, or you could get a TLM video to watch.
 
Conclusion: Based on Canon 1323, the latae sententiae penalty of excommunication does not apply in this particular case.
I’m wondering why, exactly, the SSPX considers Canon Law to be a higher authority that the Holy See itself.

Generally speaking, a true traditional Catholic recognizes that the decrees of the Pope of matters of Ecclesial discipline cannot be appealed to any higher authority.

So, if Pope John Paul II said, as he did in Ecclesia Dei, that those bishops are excommunicated, there can be no appeal to Canon Law.

Anyone who claims that the Pope’s decisions are subject to , or appealable to, Canon Law denies the role of the Papacy defined in Vatican I, as is therefore a heretic.
 
Imagine having all your bishops excommunicated, arguing that this is “a mistake” and believing that they are perfectly OK, tells me all I need to know. When Rome says they are home, I will say OK, not until.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
It’s probably an even more serious situation when bishops are NOT excommunicated, leaving everybody to believe that they are perfectly OK. I see more schismatic acts and heresies preached by people who are ‘OK’ with Rome than by the SSPX.

As far as SSPX myths go, the one I see most often is that attendees are “schismatics”. I’m sure there are some, but not any I’ve ever met. Once again, you’re much more easily able to find schismatics and heretics amongst the OF crowd.
 
Please see Myth #2 in the original post.
If you recognize the Magisterium, why do you still follow your excommunicated bishops.
There you go again. (See Myth #1 in the original post.)

That’s fine. In the meantime, would you mind refraining from false proclamations regarding the SSPX?
I think you better reread all the information about SSPX. To claim that your founder and those bishops he ordained were not excommunicated is False, misleading and incorrect. Additionally, any bishops they ordain will also be excommunicated as they will be usurping a role that belongs uniquely to the Holy Father, and to him alone. That is giving approval on who become bishops thereby becoming part of the Magisterium.
I get the impression that many here think highly of you–and probably deservedly so–which is an excellent reason to remain silent on an issue about which you are, apparently, mostly ignorant.
What others think of me is not the issue here. Misinformation is. And what you put out is not correct. All this has been hashed over so many times before you came on, its like same old, same old. The issue has been put to sleep.

Negotiations with Rome in July ended with your representative not accepting that the true magisterium is the pope and those bishops who are in union with him. Denying this does not change the fact. As I said earlier, when Rome says the split is over, my response will be “Welcome home”. You remain in my prayers. Please keep me in yours
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
As long as there isn’t justice from the people whose role is to save souls, the issue cannot be put to sleep. Popes err.
 
It is a myth only if we accept your personal interpeation of canon 1323 and 1324.
Actually, it is a myth or not a myth regardless of whether you accept Canon 1323 (1324 was a typo on my part :doh2:) or my reference to it.
Unless you can show the Church agrees with you Ill stick with them.
Who is the author of Canon Law?
 
Please see Myth #2 in the original post.
If you recognize the Magisterium, why do you still follow your excommunicated bishops.
There you go again. (See Myth #1 in the original post.)

That’s fine. In the meantime, would you mind refraining from false proclamations regarding the SSPX?
I think you better reread all the information about SSPX. To claim that your founder and those bishops he ordained were not excommunicated is False, misleading and incorrect. Additionally, any bishops they ordain will also be excommunicated as they will be usurping a role that belongs uniquely to the Holy Father, and to him alone. That is giving approval on who become bishops thereby becoming part of the Magisterium.
I get the impression that many here think highly of you–and probably deservedly so–which is an excellent reason to remain silent on an issue about which you are, apparently, mostly ignorant.
What others think of me is not the issue here. Misinformation is. And what you put out is not correct. All this has been hashed over so many times before you came on, its like same old, same old. The issue has been put to sleep.

Negotiations with Rome in July ended with your representative not accepting that the true magisterium is the pope and those bishops who are in union with him. Denying this does not change the fact. As I said earlier, when Rome says the split is over, my response will be “Welcome home”. Until then, you remain in my prayers. Please keep me in yours
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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