SSPX Publishes Media Brochure regarding recent news

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And yet, while Pope Benedict lifted the excommunications, the sspx still claim that they never existed. Why would it matter to them that the excommunications be lifted if they were so sure that they never existed in the first place??? I hope this “mindset” is not going to be a source of trouble in the future…
 
Doubt as to what? Did the excommunications exist, or did they not?
With all that is coming up to surface now after the lifting of the excommunication it surely looks like it wont take so long and they will be excommunicated again, and this time for good after Papal authority.
 
With all that is coming up to surface now after the lifting of the excommunication it surely looks like it wont take so long and they will be excommunicated again, and this time for good after Papal authority.
I’m not sure I understand the mindset which inspires anjoh66’s comment. Am I to assume that he/she is upset over the lifting of the excommunications? If so, why? I sense a certain animus towards this event.
 
I’m not sure I understand the mindset which inspires anjoh66’s comment. Am I to assume that he/she is upset over the lifting of the excommunications? If so, why? I sense a certain animus towards this event.
anjoh66’s mindset comes from the “mindset” of the sspx themselves. I have said it over and over again; go to the sspx website and see their thoughts and opinions on all matters. There is a very wide gulf that needs to be filled before things are going to be “normal.”
 
I sure did not agree with much in that pamphlet, but I’m not an SSPX supporter. On the other hand, I did not see anything that I believe will present any insurmountable obstacles to discussions with them and Rome. As with all things, their attitudes will have huge impact on how things procede. Pope Benedict XVI has shown his character. Archbishop Fellay, the ball’s in your court. Show all through your actions what you have said in words about the legitimacy of the Vicar of Christ.
 
anjoh66’s mindset comes from the “mindset” of the sspx themselves. I have said it over and over again; go to the sspx website and see their thoughts and opinions on all matters. There is a very wide gulf that needs to be filled before things are going to be “normal.”
I (man) am not upset over the goals of SSPX, to the opposite, i also like the tridentian mass.

But there are other issues, such as Bishop Fellays defending Bishop Williamsons view about the holocaust which i do not see befitting a man who is supposed to be a shepard and leader for many human beings.

Williamsons views looks more like paranoia to me.
I cant say anything against the lifting of the excommunications, but i wonder and i feel i got the right to do if it was really the appropriate time for it.

As i said nothing has changed in their status as priests, they are still not reconciled with Rome.

So the only thing this excommunication means is that they are again counted as members of the church, just like any layman.

The program they sent on swedish tv was not all about bishop Williamson but most of the time was for a swedish, former vicar, priest, in the swedish church (not catholic) who some years ago, when it became clear that the church will introduce the blessing of homosexual couples.

That was to much for him so he left the church and converted to catholicism. And joined the SSPX, and is now studying in germany and will become a priest this summer.

He is so important to the SSPX that they chosed to make him a priest after 3 years of studies, and usually it takes 6 years to become a priest at the SSPX.
But they need him here as quickly as possible, as there is no such priests here, when they come to hold mass they come from Britain.

But the program had a very bad angle, talking about the already conservative catholic church and now this man, Sten Sandberg, will be a resident priest inside the country and he is from the ultra conservative SSPX.

Anyhow, im not against SSPXs thoughts and goals, i am against those who deny the history or try to angle it their ways.

That has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
 
Is this authentic? Its so inflamatory that its hard to believe. They express “gratitude” to the Pope for the “gesture” of lifting excommunication, then spit in the face of the Magisterium by referring to the Church as “Modernist Rome” and suggesting that only the SSPX has maintained the Deposit of Faith. I credit the Holy Father for his efforts, but it will clearly be a long road back for many in the SSPX. Hopefully the laity will see the light, even if the leadership remains obstinately defiant.
 
Is this authentic? Its so inflamatory that its hard to believe. They express “gratitude” to the Pope for the “gesture” of lifting excommunication, then spit in the face of the Magisterium by referring to the Church as “Modernist Rome” and suggesting that only the SSPX has maintained the Deposit of Faith. I credit the Holy Father for his efforts, but it will clearly be a long road back for many in the SSPX. Hopefully the laity will see the light, even if the leadership remains obstinately defiant.
I Agree they do the same thing over and over again, just as bishop Fellay said that they want to give the swedish people the true faith and the real sacraments, thereby instigating that the bishop and the church we have now is not doing that.

It seems to me that the members and supporters of SSPX many of them are like brain washed.
That is very obvious in this forum.

It looks as there is a long way to go before reconciliation can take place, and perhaps even too long.
 
Is this authentic? Its so inflamatory that its hard to believe. They express “gratitude” to the Pope for the “gesture” of lifting excommunication, then spit in the face of the Magisterium by referring to the Church as “Modernist Rome” and suggesting that only the SSPX has maintained the Deposit of Faith. I credit the Holy Father for his efforts, but it will clearly be a long road back for many in the SSPX. Hopefully the laity will see the light, even if the leadership remains obstinately defiant.
Between all of this, which you correctly point out, and the aura of anti-Semitism attached to this whole episode, I believe this will prove to be one of the most ill-advised papal actions in modern times.
 
I (man) am not upset over the goals of SSPX, to the opposite, i also like the tridentian mass.

Anyhow, im not against SSPXs thoughts and goals, i am against those who deny the history or try to angle it their ways.

That has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
Really? And what do you make of these statements:
*
The Missal of Pope Paul VI - If the Novus Ordo Missae is not truly Catholic,
then it cannot oblige for one’s Sunday obligation. Many Catholics who do
assist at it are unaware of its all pervasive degree of serious innovation
and are exempt from guilt. However, any Catholic who is aware of its harm,
does not have the right to participate. He could only then assist at it by a
mere physical presence without positively taking part in it, and then and
for major family reasons (weddings, funerals, etc).

The Catachism - This collegiality tampers with the divine constitution of
the Church, derogates from the pope’s powers, and hampers his government of
the Church (and that of the bishops in their dioceses). “Episcopal
Conferences” now assume authority, which thus becomes impersonal and
unanswerable.

These are but the most grave deficiencies; other defective points include
the following:

a… mixed marriages (canons 1125, 1127),

b… diminution in censures (excommunication of freemasons, etc.),

c… the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas is no longer strictly enjoined in
seminaries (canons 251ff), and

d… general absolutions are more readily available (canons 961-963, etc.).

In passing, it is interesting to note that for Pope John Paul II the 1983
Code of Canon Law has less weight than a Conciliar constitution.

The Indult Mass - Therefore, attending it because of the priest’s words or
fellow Mass-goers’ pressure, or because of the need to pander to the local
bishop just to have it, inevitably pushes one to keep quiet on “divisive
issues” and, distance oneself from those who do not keep quiet i.e., it
pushes one to join the ranks of those who are destroying the Church. This
one cannot do (cf., also QUESTION 13).

The Indult Mass, therefore, is not for traditional Catholics.*

They (FSSP) are therefore Conciliar Catholics and not traditional Catholics.

This being so, attending their Mass is:

a… accepting the compromise on which they are based,

b… accepting the direction taken by the Conciliar Church and the
consequent destruction of the Catholic Faith and practices, and

c… accepting, in particular, the lawfulness and doctrinal soundness of
the Novus Ordo Missae and Vatican II.

That is why a Catholic ought not to attend their Masses.

Now, just as he who denies but one article of Faith loses the Faith
[PRINCIPLE 7], so a teacher who errs on one point alone proves himself
fallible, and, renders all he teaches questionable.

Just as the Second Vatican Council is not an authority to quote even where
it propounds Catholic teaching (it does not do so infallibly and clearly),
so this Catechism is not an authority of Catholic belief because of the
modern deviations which it encompasses.

Those who defend this Catechism are supporting the innovations of Vatican
II.*

And also, in this brochure, they state the following:

*June 10, 1971
Archbishop Lefebvre announces that the SSPX’s priests will not say the Novus Ordo Missae due to its doctrinal deficiencies which *pose a danger to the faith and the priesthood.
**
June 30, 1988
Discussions with a Modernist Rome having failed, “Operation Survival for Tradition” takes place. Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer consecrate to the episcopacy four priests to ensure the continuance of Catholic Tradition and the SSPX’s priestly work.


Does any of this have to do with the “teachings of Christ?”
 
Between all of this, which you correctly point out, and the aura of anti-Semitism attached to this whole episode, I believe this will prove to be one of the most ill-advised papal actions in modern times.
I agree that the possibility of a major blow-up is enormous.
 
Really? And what do you make of these statements:
*
The Missal of Pope Paul VI - If the Novus Ordo Missae is not truly Catholic,
then it cannot oblige for one’s Sunday obligation. Many Catholics who do
assist at it are unaware of its all pervasive degree of serious innovation
and are exempt from guilt. However, any Catholic who is aware of its harm,
does not have the right to participate. He could only then assist at it by a
mere physical presence without positively taking part in it, and then and
for major family reasons (weddings, funerals, etc).

The Catachism - This collegiality tampers with the divine constitution of
the Church, derogates from the pope’s powers, and hampers his government of
the Church (and that of the bishops in their dioceses). “Episcopal
Conferences” now assume authority, which thus becomes impersonal and
unanswerable.

These are but the most grave deficiencies; other defective points include
the following:

a… mixed marriages (canons 1125, 1127),

b… diminution in censures (excommunication of freemasons, etc.),

c… the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas is no longer strictly enjoined in
seminaries (canons 251ff), and

d… general absolutions are more readily available (canons 961-963, etc.).

In passing, it is interesting to note that for Pope John Paul II the 1983
Code of Canon Law has less weight than a Conciliar constitution.

The Indult Mass - Therefore, attending it because of the priest’s words or
fellow Mass-goers’ pressure, or because of the need to pander to the local
bishop just to have it, inevitably pushes one to keep quiet on “divisive
issues” and, distance oneself from those who do not keep quiet i.e., it
pushes one to join the ranks of those who are destroying the Church. This
one cannot do (cf., also QUESTION 13).

The Indult Mass, therefore, is not for traditional Catholics.*

They (FSSP) are therefore Conciliar Catholics and not traditional Catholics.

This being so, attending their Mass is:

a… accepting the compromise on which they are based,

b… accepting the direction taken by the Conciliar Church and the
consequent destruction of the Catholic Faith and practices, and

c… accepting, in particular, the lawfulness and doctrinal soundness of
the Novus Ordo Missae and Vatican II.

That is why a Catholic ought not to attend their Masses.

Now, just as he who denies but one article of Faith loses the Faith
[PRINCIPLE 7], so a teacher who errs on one point alone proves himself
fallible, and, renders all he teaches questionable.

Just as the Second Vatican Council is not an authority to quote even where
it propounds Catholic teaching (it does not do so infallibly and clearly),
so this Catechism is not an authority of Catholic belief because of the
modern deviations which it encompasses.

Those who defend this Catechism are supporting the innovations of Vatican
II.*

And also, in this brochure, they state the following:

June 10, 1971
Archbishop Lefebvre announces that the SSPX’s priests will not say the Novus Ordo Missae
due to its doctrinal deficiencies which **pose a danger to the faith and the priesthood.
**
June 30, 1988
Discussions with a Modernist Rome having failed, “Operation Survival for Tradition” takes place. Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer consecrate to the episcopacy four priests to ensure the continuance of Catholic Tradition and the SSPX’s priestly work.

Does any of this have to do with the “teachings of Christ?”
Does the latin mass have anything to do with christ?

Christ gave us a parable when a man is born he has a childs body then groves up to be a man then old his body changes, but he remains the same man.

Likewise it is with the church and her teachings.

You dont need to stay in the old to be righteous
 
But there are other issues, such as Bishop Fellays defending Bishop Williamsons view about the holocaust which i do not see befitting a man who is supposed to be a shepard and leader for many human beings.
I wasn’t aware that Bishop Fellay had defended Bp. Williamson’s view of the holocaust. Did he do so publicly? Do you have a transcript of Fellay’s remarks in this regard?
The program they sent on swedish tv was not all about bishop Williamson but most of the time was for a swedish, former vicar, priest, in the swedish church (not catholic) who some years ago, when it became clear that the church will introduce the blessing of homosexual couples
We suspected that the five minute interview with Bp. Williamson was tacked on at the end of a much longer interview. So, the core of the program centered around a new SSPX priest from Sweden. I see. Wasn’t the program originally aired in November, 2008? If so, why would this small segment have been published abroad only one or two days before the announcement of the lifting of the excommunications? There goes my suspicious mind again.
 
I wasn’t aware that Bishop Fellay had defended Bp. Williamson’s view of the holocaust. Did he do so publicly? Do you have a transcript of Fellay’s remarks in this regard?

We suspected that the five minute interview with Bp. Williamson was tacked on at the end of a much longer interview. So, the core of the program centered around a new SSPX priest from Sweden. I see. Wasn’t the program originally aired in November, 2008? If so, why would this small segment have been published abroad only one or two days before the announcement of the lifting of the excommunications? There goes my suspicious mind again.
Correction
Not his view but that he is entitled to hold his personal opinion or how should i say it?

No it was last week just some days before the lifting
 
You dont need to stay in the old to be righteous
The Church Teach us about Faith. It is not the issue of staying in the old but in staying with the Faith as taught and revealed throughout the life of the Church. And FAITH, does not grow old.

As the Church grows so does FAITH – it’s like a mustard seed. It continues to become more precise, accurate, and more meaningful.
 
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