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Do you think that the above-mentioned speech of John Paul II may be finally published in the Acta?
CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: If it wasn’t the explicit wish of the Pope not to publish that speech, even when it was he who made it, I think it’s a serious thing not to have done so.
The title of a piece in Corriere della Sera of 26 August, anticipating the audience of three days later, described relations between the so-called Lefebvrians and the Holy See as “the impossible peace”.
CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: The newspapers can say that and a great many other things. Luckily, and I stress luckily, newspapers are not infallible.
Your Eminence, a last word for those who reproach the Fraternity with using rough language, at times verging on irreverence, towards the Holy See.
CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: It can cause distress, but at bottom I’m not surprised by the fact that words, articles, letters may appear that use a rather crude language. Including some statements attributed to His excellency Monsignor Fellay. Until there is full unity, and so full mutual charity, one can’t be scandalized if there is still some verbal intemperance. It’s always well to keep in mind Augustine’s saying: «In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas».
 
One other thing from this article that some folks who despise the traditional Mass need to understand and accept:
CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: The mass of Saint Pius V has never been abolished.
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JSmitty2005:
Does the SSPX have a valid Mass? If it doesn’t have valid bishops, then it doesn’t have valid priests, right? If it doesn’t have valid priests, then you can’t have a valid Mass. Is my reasoning flawed? I’ve always wondered about that. Here are some links:

catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9401fea1.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9905chap.asp
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Valid, but illicit.
 
Joe Sarto:
One other thing from this article that some folks who despise the traditional Mass need to understand and accept:
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No, but it was replaced, derogated by the constitution that made the Pauline Mass the normative Mass of the Church. Also, you need to look up what Andreas Hoffer said about the grammatical tense of the Cardinals remarks. He never said that they were NOT in formal schism (they are, as per Ecclesia Dei, and a pope trumps the entire College of Cardinals, regardless of their opinion).
 
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MamaSusie:
Why were those bishops ordained without Authority? What were they wanting to do that wasn’t allowed? Did someone say “You can’t speak Latin anymore?” I always thought that saying mass in the vernacular was a courtesy to make it easier to understand. But to the people in the SSPX church, the Latin “IS” their language, so to speak. Frankly, I think the wording they use is FAR more accurate even to the current Catechism (hence the reason I go to Latin mass). Again, beating a dead horse, but why was a need felt, on the part of the SSPX church, to ordain those bishops without authority in the first place? What precluded that act? Were they told, “Saying the mass in Latin and facing the alter is hereby a mortal sin?” There’s a piece of this puzzle that’s missing, in my mind.

Yes, I understand they are a schism due to disobedience, and that’s why I don’t go to church there. There’s no need to convince me. I’m just trying to understand the particulars better.
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That’s what the Church asked in bewilderment! Essentially, “why are you doing this, Pope John Paul was about to give you what you wanted!” The Archbishop signed an agreement acknowledging such and reneged on it the next day! It ISN’T about the TLM so much as obedience.

BTW, Cardinal Arinze (my cardinal’s opinion) said that the TLM was also subject to abuse.
 
Awesome! I will keep the “knitting” efforts for our fabric in my prayers. Thank you.
 
OK, I checked, and the order that conducts the once weekly Latin Mass I attend is FSSP. 🙂
 
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MamaSusie:
OK, I checked, and the order that conducts the once weekly Latin Mass I attend is FSSP. 🙂
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Awesome! That’s got a be relief of potential headaches. Support them all you can, 'cause they’re well regarded by the Church and they are doing the good and tough work of keeping the TLM alive (and hopefully even bringing it back to some degree). 😃

Peace and God bless!
 
I knew they weren’t SSPX, but I wasn’t sure if I was familiar with FSSP…looks like I was, and didn’t know it! We only have 3 SSPX churches in our whole state, and one of them is a few blocks from the church I go to.
 
I attend an FSSP mass (it is its own parish within my diocese) and my children attend an SSPX school.
The SSPX website has some info of exactly what their gripe with FSSP is- it seems very particular and “nit picky” to me.
My priest has said that it is not wrong for me to send my children to the SSPX school, nor is it necessarily wrong to attend a SSPX mass, it is the celebrants of the mass that sin, not the attendees, and if your choice is SSPX mass or no mass, you should attend the SSPX mass; the actual Mass being said is not the problem, it is a disciplinary problem not doctrinal.
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mommyjo2:
I attend an FSSP mass (it is its own parish within my diocese) and my children attend an SSPX school.
The SSPX website has some info of exactly what their gripe with FSSP is- it seems very particular and “nit picky” to me.
My priest has said that it is not wrong for me to send my children to the SSPX school, nor is it necessarily wrong to attend a SSPX mass, it is the celebrants of the mass that sin, not the attendees, and if your choice is SSPX mass or no mass, you should attend the SSPX mass; the actual Mass being said is not the problem, it is a disciplinary problem not doctrinal.
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I would only add that if there is a choice between a fully Catholic Mass and a schismatic one, the Catholic one should generally be prefered. If there is no choice, or there is a genuine spiritual benefit, one could attend a valid Mass of a Church or community in schism. Such is Canon Law, anyway.

Peace and God bless!
 
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Ghosty:
I would only add that if there is a choice between a fully Catholic Mass and a schismatic one, the Catholic one should generally be prefered. If there is no choice, or there is a genuine spiritual benefit, one could attend a valid Mass of a Church or community in schism. Such is Canon Law, anyway.

Peace and God bless!
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Indeed. In fact, the Church teaches the same thing with regard to the Orthodox scismatics. Go to an Orthodox Church for Mass if there is not a Catholic Church around, but if there is, then there should be no question which to go to!
 
What timing! I learned today that the church I go to, the one that has the FSSP service once on Sunday, is going to “All Latin All the Time” and is being taken over by the Institute of Christ the King Sovreign priests. They are offering 3 masses on Sunday, one each day of the week, and Sat AM. Also, a Christmas 9 pm vigil! I can’t WAIT to go to that! I haven’t been to a traditional mass on Christmas eve in years!! They are also having one Chirstmas morning. All masses have confession offered 30 mins before, as well. This is such HUGE news! 😃
 
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Ghosty:
The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter is the fully Catholic counterpart to the SSPX. If you read their website, you’ll realize that the practice of the TLM and the general beliefs of SSPX are not at all what makes them problematic, as the FSSP holds almost the same on all counts. The real difference is that the SSPX refuses to submit to Rome in full, and insists on ruffling the feathers of the Church.

If you want to support the better “mindset” of the SSPX, support the FSSP. They are truly holy, traditional, and obedient. If enough people support them, we will see a rise of the TLM, as opposed to the SSPX which will be able to do nothing until they come back from their Schism.

Peace and God bless!
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Is the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter for both diocesan and religious order priests, or just one or the other? Can any priest be a member or does it depend on whether or not there is a chapter of this fraternity in your diocese?
 
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CollegeKid:
Is the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter for both diocesan and religious order priests, or just one or the other? Can any priest be a member or does it depend on whether or not there is a chapter of this fraternity in your diocese?
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Any secular priest can be a member of FSSP if their bishop okays it, or if they attend an FSSP Seminary. The FSSP is only under the Pope, and no other bishops have authority over them.
 
Are FSSP priests also trained in the the Novus Ordo rite of the Mass?
 
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