Yes.I need help, I’ve been looking online for specific Bishops or other clergymen in the Catholic Church that are responsible for the talks between SSPX and attempting to have them return into union with Rome but nothing has turned up.
Does anyone know of any names?
…Well if you could name a few key people responsible for trying to bring these two organizations together I can research them from there.Yes.
" . . . bring these two organizations together" sound like there’s some sort of equality among them: a disobedient and breakaway sect, and the Church. The name which will unite the SSPX with the Church is ‘repentance.’…Well if you could name a few key people responsible for trying to bring these two organizations together I can research them from there.
Are you seriously that hard to talk to?" . . . bring these two organizations together" sound like there’s some sort of equality among them: a disobedient and breakaway sect, and the Church. The name which will unite the SSPX with the Church is ‘repentance.’
It is Bp. Gallareta who is leading the discussions on the SSPX side. The discussions have been recorded by both sides and might one day be released I suppose. But you won’t find very much. They were supposed to be kept secret, and it has been that way for the most part.I need help, I’ve been looking online for specific Bishops or other clergymen in the Catholic Church that are responsible for the talks between SSPX and attempting to have them return into union with Rome but nothing has turned up.
Does anyone know of any names?
You’re right, there isn’t an equality; the SSPX has kept the Faith. According to Rome, however, neither the Eastern Orthodox nor the Jews need to convert to ensure their salvation, and neither is an “ecumenism of the return” sought from the Protestants. ‘True’ ecumenism no longer involves “uniformity in all expressions of theology and spirituality, in liturgical forms and in discipline.”" . . . bring these two organizations together" sound like there’s some sort of equality among them: a disobedient and breakaway sect, and the Church. The name which will unite the SSPX with the Church is ‘repentance.’
I think it’s easy for many well meaning Catholics to tarnish the Society of St. Pius X, but a brief examination of the struggle between traditionalism and modernism in the Church indicates that things don’t seem so black and white.You’re right, there isn’t an equality; the SSPX has kept the Faith. According to Rome, however, neither the Eastern Orthodox nor the Jews need to convert to ensure their salvation, and neither is an “ecumenism of the return” sought from the Protestants. ‘True’ ecumenism no longer involves “uniformity in all expressions of theology and spirituality, in liturgical forms and in discipline.”
Ven. Pope Pius XII: “Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.”
Indeed.
I wish that, one day, all of our seminarians could be put in the hands of the Holy Father. Our profound wish is to enter in perfect communion with him, but in the unity of the Faith and not in a liberal ecumenism. - Archbishop Lefebrve
The SSPX priests and their followers will have to go to a Roman Catholic Church for the Sacrament of Reconciliation, since the SSPX priests have no faculties to confer the Sacrament.repentence on who’s part?
I agree one hundred percent. Repentance of the false ecumenism which does not lead to return, repentance of modernism, etc." . . . bring these two organizations together" sound like there’s some sort of equality among them: a disobedient and breakaway sect, and the Church. The name which will unite the SSPX with the Church is ‘repentance.’
Amen.repentance of modernism
Do you know exactly what separates them?So… the disobedient break away faction has nothing to repent, but the Pope and the rest of the Church need to repent for what? Not overturning the will of all the bishops gathered in council in response to the demands of a few dissenters? Are all of you sedevacantists? If not, how does any of this make any sense?
What exactly are they rejecting though?I think this is at the heart of the talks for the RCC:
The ideological rejection of Vatican II is illogical in itself, Cardinal Ratzinger remarked, since traditionalists who profess to uphold the inerrant authority of the magisterium cannot reject the magisterial teaching of the Council and the post-conciliar Pontiffs. “Why the popes up to Pius XII, and not afterward?” he asked. In the 1980s, Cardinal Ratzinger told Archbishop Lefebvre that he could not make his fidelity to the Holy See contingent, applying his obedience only to the teachings that he found congenial. Now, as Pope Benedict XVI, he hopes to make the same point to Archbishop Lefebvre’s followers.
Each others’ definition of ecumenism, as I understand it. Inter alia.What exactly are they rejecting though?
I would like to know exactly the specifics of it. what exactly the SSPX rejects? only then we can understand the problem.Each others’ definition of ecumenism, as I understand it. Inter alia.
I think would be a good thing if someone can post the exactly issues that SSPX has. this way the discussion could be fruitful and many who opposed them could understand better what is really going on instead of mumbling around something that we dont understand. before throwing stones at each other, this would be a good idea. dont you think?Try an SSPX FAQ and do some research if you really want to know.