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requiemaeturnum
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I was just saying that attending a sede Mass would fulfill your obligation.
I am willing to bet that no one in the SSPX goes because they want to separate themselves from Rome.
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I am willing to bet that no one in the SSPX goes because they want to separate themselves from Rome.
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jmcrae
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People keep telling me that the SSPX are not Sedes.
In any case, I don’t think it’s good for the soul to attend either one, unless there were no licit, valid Mass to attend at all.
I’m sure they don’t start out that way, for sure.
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requiemaeturnum
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SSPX are not sedevacantists. Check out their website in my link. In fact we actually condemn sedevacantism.People keep telling me that the SSPX are not Sedes.
In any case, I don’t think it’s good for the soul to attend either one, unless there were no licit, valid Mass to attend at all.
I’m sure they don’t start out that way, for sure.
Trust me, the last thing the SSPX parishioners have on their mind is separating themselves from Rome. Vatican II, etc all take a back seat to the current issues such as the outcome of the election.
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DonaNobis_Pacem
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I have to agree with jmcrae. Unless one can’t find a valid, licit Mass anywhere, at all, within a reasonable distance, then an SSPX or sedevacantist chapel would fulfill their Sunday obligation. But, if one goes often enough, they do start to absorb the mentality of the clergy and other parishioners who attend as well. That’s why it can be potentially dangerous for the person’s soul, and if I were in such a situation, I’m not so sure I’d want to take a gamble with my eternal destiny.
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requiemaeturnum
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This is a little bit offensive. I am a SSPX sympathizer. I am planning on beginning to attend a SSPX Chapel across town from the FSSP parish I currently attend. All the SSPX people I know love the Pope and are obedient to him. All the priests I know rarely even mention Vatican II or other issues that people stereotype with the SSPX. I am pretty sure God won’t be sending anyone to Hell for attending the Mass the way it has been offered for centuries- FSSP, ICK, or SSPX.
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thistle
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How can you say they love and are obedient to the Pope. By definition supporting the ongoing SSPX schism they are not being obedient to the Pope.
John Paul II even documented in Ecclesia Dei that people should NOT continue to support the schismatic movement or they risk excommunication.
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requiemaeturnum
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Well, SSPX is not schismatic. We are “an internal matter of reconciliation”. We pray for the intentions of the Holy Father each day.
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thistle
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Sorry but John Paul II publicly declared in Eccelesia Dei that SSPX is schismatic. Until a formal declaration from our current pope overturns that then they remain schismatic. One or other cardinal or bishop saying its “an internal matter of reconciliation” does not change the official position. Only the Pope can change it.
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pnewton
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I am wondering if the two are mutually exclusive. One would think that reconciling schism would be considered and internal matter for the Church. I find it interesting how those desperateto ignore Ecclesia Dei have jumped on this one statement as a lifeline. However, it should be noted that it is not the SSPS adherents that are in schism, just their leadership. The rank and file just support the schism.
Either way, it would have been nice if the SSPX leadership would have humbled themselves this last summer when the Vatican made overtures to normalize the situation, but I guess you can’t teach old dogs new tricks.
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thistle
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Unfortunately many don’t seem to realise that such support could result in their excommunication. I bet most of those attending SSPX Masses are not given the truth about the situation by the SSPX priests and bishops.
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603304529
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:yawn:
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pnewton
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I haven’t seen anything that says attendence and support of schism is an excommunicatable (?) offense.
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thistle
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Ecclesia Dei:
c) In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church’s law.
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603304529
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:yawn:
And has anyone defined what formal adherence is yet? Spose that would be a bit hard to do in the Vatican dialect of ambiguese…
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thistle
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Consider the rest of the section which is very unambiguous. I’m paraphrasing but the Pope said that to remain united to the Pope everyone must cease their support for the SSPX. How much clearer do you need than that?
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franklinf
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PCED: “Up to now the Catholic Church has acted as if the situation of the Society of St. Pius X is an internal matter within the Catholic Church and not a matter of ecumenical dialogue.”
PCED: “Catholics who frequent the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X do not incur any sin or canonical delict by doing so.”
PCED: "As we already stated to you in our letter of 4 July 2007: “This Pontifical Commission does its best to transmit responses which are in full accord with the magisterium and the present canonical practices of the Catholic Church. One should accept them with docility and can act upon them with moral certainty.” We would further add that no dicastery of the Holy See will give other responses than those which we have given here."
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DonaNobis_Pacem
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No one has said that God would send anyone to Hell for attending the Extraordinary Form of Mass. It is a form of the Mass approved by the Catholic Church, as is the Ordinary Form; Pope Benedict XVI himself celebrates the Ordinary Form. But I have to ask: why change parishes, especially when the Priestly Society of St. Peter is in full communion with Rome?
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pnewton
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Might I as what part you found offensive? No one said anyone is going to Hell over SSPX attendance like your post suggests.
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bubba451
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144 posts to get a yes or no? Does that give you an idea of the depth of this division? Everybody (including me) has an opinion. The Church has recent PUBLISHED opinions on this matter that are charitable and go a long way to extend a hand to the SSPX and it’s members to bring them back to the Church. Hopefully these actions will bear fruit in both circles.
It seems that many traditional Catholics are very willing to pile on the SSPX AND the SSPX and it’s members seem willing to fight to defend what they feel is right. Do you think it might be time to bury the hatchet anywhere EXCEPT in each other’s head?
Baiting questions like this cause more animosity on both sides. I do not find these “arguments” productive, particularly since we have a specific answer from the Church on this issue. It’s time to begin to heal the wounds and quit picking at the scab IMO.
It seems that many traditional Catholics are very willing to pile on the SSPX AND the SSPX and it’s members seem willing to fight to defend what they feel is right. Do you think it might be time to bury the hatchet anywhere EXCEPT in each other’s head?
Baiting questions like this cause more animosity on both sides. I do not find these “arguments” productive, particularly since we have a specific answer from the Church on this issue. It’s time to begin to heal the wounds and quit picking at the scab IMO.
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jmcrae
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What’s the matter with your FSSP parish, that you would want to switch? The FSSP has an almost identical liturgy, and has the advantage of being approved by both the local Bishop and the Pope. (In fact, the FSSP is the Pope’s personal apostolate.)
How can they be obedient to the Pope while at the same time participating in a movement that has no standing in the Church?
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