SSPX to be entrusted to the next Pope

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Douay-Rheims Bible, Proverbs ch.8, 30:

I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times

That’s how a Catholic translates it: “Playing before him * at all times…”

Clearly, however, this is also an allusion to King David’s own little Michael Jackson moment.
1AugustSon7 said:
No, I’m not missing anything.

What King David was doing was the very definition of liturgy
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: he was formally and publicly worshipping God in gratitude of his works and benefits - in fact, leading the whole people as their King, and thus symbolizing them all - in the very presence of God. God seems to have thought David’s dancing was pretty nifty. Michal did not. He was dancing “with all his might” before “the ark of the Lord”. Where do you think the ark of the Lord ended up?
Ark of the Covenant
judaism.about.com › … › Jewish Days of Mourning › Temple
The Ark of the Covenant was kept in a special chamber within the Temple called the Holy of Holies (Kodesh Kodashim). No one was permitted to enter the Holy …

The Holy of Holies was for the Ark of the Covenant. THAT’S what made it so uber-holy: so holy, in fact, we had to call it holy twice! :)*
 
cothrige said:
And yet we have no indication he actually danced there.
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Big mistake, my brother.

[16] Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor. [17] Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? [18] And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor. [19] Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? [20] He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:

The Holy of Holies was so holy because it housed the Ark of the Covenant, in front of which King David danced like a rock-star in jubilation and thanks for all the good things the good Lord had done for him and his people.
 
Come on people, Cardinal Arinze already laid it out in black and white. Take your dances elsewhere.
 
Greg_N said:
Come on people, Cardinal Arinze already laid it out in black and white. Take your dances elsewhere.
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:dancing:…the parish hall:confused:

Ok, jokes aside, these posters have added valuable information - and i’m sure that no-one can agree with Michal’s despising of the King when he did this. No one has the right to despise those who express joy in that manner, as we know many saints have done so too.

Kind David’s dancing for joy, while it can be seen as liturgical in it’s expression - is not here considered as part of the liturgy of the Roman Rite - even though he did so before the Ark of the Covenant. They were not renewing the sacrifice of calvary, so he was entitled to dance his heart out in that particular situation without criticism.

Sing joyfully to God, all the earth; make melody, rejoice and sing.
Psalm 98:4:harp:
Douay-Rheims Bible
 
1AugustSon7 said:
Except King David’s dancing was liturgical (i.e., relevant to our subject): it was literally a formal and public celebration and praise of God in thanksgiving for all his benefits. That’s liturgy.
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The Mass is complete without liturgical dance.Adding dancers makes the Mass into a spectacle. You express a sola scripura viewpoint which is not shared by the Magisterium, as Cardinal Arinze clearly stated
 
Dee_S said:
:dancing:…the parish hall:confused:

Ok, jokes aside, these posters have added valuable information - and i’m sure that no-one can agree with Michal’s despising of the King when he did this. No one has the right to despise those who express joy in that manner, as we know many saints have done so too.

Kind David’s dancing for joy, while it can be seen as liturgical in it’s expression - is not here considered as part of the liturgy of the Roman Rite - even though he did so before the Ark of the Covenant. They were not renewing the sacrifice of calvary, so he was entitled to dance his heart out in that particular situation without criticism.

Sing joyfully to God, all the earth; make melody, rejoice and sing.
Psalm 98:4:harp:
Douay-Rheims Bible
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Correct, David’s dance is irrelevant to the Mass. Liturgical dance only seems important to those who do not yet comprehend the sacrifice.
 
Faithdancer said:
Correct, David’s dance is irrelevant to the Mass. Liturgical dance only seems important to those who do not yet comprehend the sacrifice.
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I did not say that it was not liturgical, because in it’s context it was. I never intended it to be used to render the poster’s comments irrelevant or incorrect.
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The correct meaning of “Liturgy” is explained here below and considering that there was no sacrifice of the Mass (being OT) it is a non-comparison.**

“So in Christian use liturgy meant the public official service of the Church, that corresponded to the official service of the Temple in the Old Law.”

"We must now distinguish two senses in which the word was and is still commonly used. These two senses often lead to confusion.

On the one hand, liturgy often means the whole complex of official services, all the rites, ceremonies, prayers, and sacraments of the Church, as opposed to private devotions. In this sense we speak of the arrangement of all these services in certain set forms (including the canonical hours, administration of sacraments, etc.), used officially by any local church, as the liturgy of such a church — the Liturgy of Antioch, the Roman Liturgy, and so on. So liturgy means rite; we speak indifferently of the Byzantine Rite or the Byzantine Liturgy. In the same sense we distinguish the official services from others by calling them liturgical; those services are liturgical which are contained in any of the official books (see LITURGICAL BOOKS) of a rite. In the Roman Church, for instance, Compline is a liturgical service, the Rosary is not.

The other sense of the word liturgy, now the common one in all Eastern Churches, restricts it to the chief official service only — the Sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist, which in our rite we call the Mass. This is now practically the only sense in which leitourgia is used in Greek, or in its derived forms (e.g., Arabic al-liturgiah) by any Eastern Christian. When a Greek speaks of the “Holy Liturgy” he means only the Eucharistic Service.

For the sake of clearness it is perhaps better for us too to keep the word to this sense, at any rate in speaking of Eastern ecclesiastical matters; for instance, not to speak of the Byzantine canonical hours as liturgical services. Even in Western Rites the word “official” or “canonical” will do as well as “liturgical” in the general sense, so that we too may use Liturgy only for the Holy Eucharist."
newadvent.org/cathen/09306a.htm
 
It always interesting to see how threads evolve (or devolve in this case)…

How did we go from discussion about reconciliation with the fringe SSPX group, to talking about fringe practice of liturgical dance? Shall we look to add in another fringe group or practice to make the trifecta?
 
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