SSPX VS Eastern Catholics

[maria29]

Why should they abandon the Latin Rite at the expense of Paul VI?

(but yes there are some who have gone East rather than in ‘schism’ )

And why is the SSPX Mass in quotations?

Does it seem different than the regular Mass for you?

**Because isn’t the SSPX not in full communion with the Church? Perhaps i am wrong? **

Also…St. Paul was very critical of head coverings as well.

**Do you also believe that men and women should be kept seperate during mass? I guess personally I wouldn’t mind wearing one but I don’t want to feel looked down upon if I don’t wear one either. Whenever we go to Byzantine mass I am drawn to how close I feel to God at these divine liturgies. **You will find that the FSSP as well as the entire Catholic Church before Vatican II was equally critical concerning head coverings.

 

[maria29]

Maria29,

Just a small correction. Melkites are Byzantine Rite. Were you thinking of the Ruthenians who call themselves “Byzantine Catholics”?

Yes I am sorry I always mix those up…

Also, our liturgies are not called the “Mass” but, rather, the Divine Liturgy. The term “Mass” is used for some Eastern Catholic Liturgies, but not for any of the 14 Churches that follow the Byzantine Rite.

Deacon Ed

 

[JKirkLVNV]

How come that argument only works in favor of liberals and modernists…it seems like as soon as a traditionalist uses that same argument, it is considered null and void…Kirk…please keep in mind that I have known you a long time on these boards and I am not in any way calling you a liberal or modernists…because I know you are not…I am just asking you an objective question, hoping someone with your intellect can answer it for me. God Bless

Dumspirospero: I base what I said about women covering their heads on what the Holy See said, ie, that it was a matter of discipline, not faith and morals. I’ve never said a woman shouldn’t cover her head. I actually think that it’s lovely and humbling. I simply think we need to be accurate (ie, that it IS a matter of discipline and thus mutable, according to the Holy See) and that where the Church has granted liberty, we should not attempt to constrain the consciences of our brothers and sisters. That’s all.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

And this makes a good point which is:
If I only do that which is required, what am I but a form of legalist.
I am required to attend Mass on Sunday. I am not required to attend Mass on the common weekday. Therefore let us all refrain from Mass on weekdays.
I am never required to pray the Rosary, therefore do not pray the Rosary.
No one is forced to wear headcovering, so it is a useless practice.
If Catholic practice were reduced to that which is required, there would be little left of the Catholic Faith.

No, no, that isn’t what I’m saying, TNT, please see the post before this one.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I would be careful in generalizing from just one person. I grew up in Italy and it was made very clear that women were supposed to cover their heads, and that everybody was supposed to dress in a dignified manner. I was a kid but I remember people talking about the “scandalous” attires showing up at Mass in the late 60’ early 70’s The subjective concept of dignified dressing could have changed with time, but head covering is quite a specific description to me.

I’m not generalisng at all, I’m simply saying that it was not as universal as is made out.

 

[m134e5]

**I am curious for those who do go to SSPX “masses” or Churches and if these services are considered illicit…Is it better to go to a Eastern Catholic service such as the Melkites or the Byzantine rite? I have found the beauty and the reverence of their masses amazing. As well I am not judged because I do not wear a head covering.

Or do you not consider these churches in line and part of the Catholic Church? I am just interested in hearing other peoples thoughts about it**

People who go to SSPX Masses like the Latin Rite. They do not simply want something reverent…they want something reverent that is in the tradition they have come to know and love- the Latin Rite. Eastern Catholics have a beautiful Tradition, and many great devotions to go with it…but it isn’t Latin. There are no rosaries (some may pray the rosary, but I know plenty of others who thumb their nose at it simply because it’s a Latin devotion), forty-hours devotions, novenas, benediction, adoration, Corpus Christi processions, pipe organs, communion rails, statues, and Gregorian chant.

 

[Marilena]

**I am curious for those who do go to SSPX “masses” or Churches and if these services are considered illicit…Is it better to go to a Eastern Catholic service such as the Melkites or the Byzantine rite? I have found the beauty and the reverence of their masses amazing. As well I am not judged because I do not wear a head covering.

Or do you not consider these churches in line and part of the Catholic Church? I am just interested in hearing other peoples thoughts about it**

first off, let me mention something to you about head coverings. no one judges anyone at the sspx chapel for not wearing a head covering. i wanted to make that clear. one is only reminded to wear one out of respect for our Lord.