SSPX vs those who simply go to Latin Rite Mass?

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Hey all.
So in my archdiocese and a few others I know of, there are Churches that do latin rite masses, but they are not in anyway being disobedient to the Vatican.

There is also of course the SSPX, which is much more than doing a latin rite mass just for kicks. Their relationship with the Vatican is shaky, and the members/leaders are trying their best to preserve the Church doctrine that existed Pre-Vatican two. They more/less reject VII.

I’m wondering how many people here are SSPX, or something similar, and how many people just like going to latin masses done by their local archdiocese.

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks! 🙂
 
That is a hard question to answer, because we are not allowed to post anti Vatican 2 statements.

I would respond to your question this way: there are probably a lot of people who regularly post on this forum who question the manner in which the council was implemented. A lesser number, but perhaps still substantial, question the manner in which the council documents were written, and question the manner in which many documents which applied the council were written. Then, there are those who outright disagree to a greater or lesser extent with some of the council’s decisions, such as the apparent restatement of universal salvation, democracy and the Church, the place of Church in society, and the relationship with Protestants and non-Christians, as well as (naturally) the liturgy.

I imagine there are many here, myself included, who wonder if we would be able to attend the old mass were it not for the stand taken by SSPX. There are also many here who are very hopeful that relations get normalized with the SSPX.

I would be surprised if many people here wholeheartedly endorsed Bishop Williamson, who perhaps is the most extreme exponent of what the some of the public perceive the SSPX to be about.
 
Just a comment on your thread title. “Latin Rite Mass” means any Mass in the Latin Rite, which includes the OF as well as the Ambrosian, Mozarabic and the Rites of the Religious Orders.
 
Also, I don’t think any parishes do EF masses “for kicks.”
 
Been a long time since, but I have heard quite a few SSPX sermons in person. The most anti - “spirit of VII” sermon I ever heard came from the pulpit of a diocesan EF Mass.

Nothing but licit Masses in both forms here.
 
This question is not as simple or easy as it appears. Those individuals who “…simply go to Latin Rite Mass” go because they feel a strong attachment to that liturgy. It goes much deeper than that, hence the reason the for Holy Father’s broad allowance of its celebration. This was also a step not only towards those in the Church, but those who felt the need to step away from the Church (or who felt the Church stepped away from them) like the SSPX.

This is not an easy or simple “one vs the other”. There are so many layers beyond the Mass itself.

For a current look see the article “The Vatican summons the head of the Lefebvrists” in the Vatican Insider.

God bless.
 
MillTownCath said:
Hey all.
So in my archdiocese and a few others I know of, there are Churches that do latin rite masses, but they are not in anyway being disobedient to the Vatican.

There is also of course the SSPX, which is much more than doing a latin rite mass just for kicks. Their relationship with the Vatican is shaky, and the members/leaders are trying their best to preserve the Church doctrine that existed Pre-Vatican two. They more/less reject VII.

I’m wondering how many people here are SSPX, or something similar, and how many people just like going to latin masses done by their local archdiocese.

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks! 🙂
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I don’t know that I am “here” when it comes to questions regarding the Society of St. Pius X. I almost always abstain from trying here. But I admit that I assist at a SSPX Mass.

I don’t think it is accurate at all to summarize SSPX views as “more/less reject VII”. Vatican II is huge. It is monstrously verbose. Nobody that I know of that has read the documents would just throw everything out. There are some questions that seem difficult to reconcile with previous “fallible but official teachings”. The question is, does a pastoral Council that according to three popes including our current Holy Father, “does not define any new dogma” trump the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, for instance?
 
I would to to SSPX and a “normal” Latin mass, the only problem is, there is no “normal” Latin mass in my country, only SSPX:)
 
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