SSPX - who may receive communion?

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According to the rules of the SSPX, whom do they allow to receive communion in their parishes? I know they are in an interesting theological position on this.

They see themselves as ‘traditionalist’ [Roman] Catholics. But not, presumably, Old Catholics, and yet, they appear to reject the ordinary magisterial authority of the Pope by refusing his present authority until he presumably renounces Vatican II. BUT, they are also not Sedevacantists because they do believe he is the legitimate Pope.

And, presumably, they believe that confession to free oneself from ‘mortal sin’ is necessary before receiving communion BUT the sacrament is called ‘Reconciliation’ because presumably it reconciles one to the Church… but what Church?

So who can take communion in an SSPX parish according to their own rules?
 
So who can take communion in an SSPX parish according to their own rules?
Ask 10 SSPX Priests, get 10 different answers. It depends. At a minimum, the traditional rules apply: baptized Catholic in a state of grace. From that point on, it depends on the particular priest in question, to be honest. Perhaps there is something in their Constitutions, perhaps not, but the de facto seems to be that any priest may or may not withhold for a specific reason.
 
Who may receive communion? Any Catholic in the state of sanctifying grace and free from mortal sin.
 
According to the rules of the SSPX, whom do they allow to receive communion in their parishes? I know they are in an interesting theological position on this.

They see themselves as ‘traditionalist’ [Roman] Catholics. But not, presumably, Old Catholics, and yet, they appear to reject the ordinary magisterial authority of the Pope by refusing his present authority until he presumably renounces Vatican II. BUT, they are also not Sedevacantists because they do believe he is the legitimate Pope.
They do not reject the authority of the pope. They reject the less than binding teachings of the Second Vatican Council. No new doctrine was declared binding at Vatican II, however several previous disciplines were loosened.

They ran afoul of the canon law by unlawfully ordaining several bishops without a papal mandate. Their founder thought there was a crisis, and that important church traditions would be lost. Whether this premise is true or not, with no mandate, the newly ordained bishops were excommunicated, and the rest of the membership were suspended for disobedience. They defied lawful authority, rather than rejected it.

It is a subtle difference. The organization is not guilty of any heresy, as they reject no established doctrine. I’m sure the organization itself is disgusted by sedevanctists.
And, presumably, they believe that confession to free oneself from ‘mortal sin’ is necessary before receiving communion BUT the sacrament is called ‘Reconciliation’ because presumably it reconciles one to the Church… but what Church?
The sacrament has many names; “Sacrament of Reconciliation” is simply one name among many. It refers first and foremost to reconciliation with God and then the church.

“Sacrament of Penance” is perhaps the closest to an “official” name.
So who can take communion in an SSPX parish according to their own rules?
They believe any Catholic in a state of grace can receive communion. They probably offer confession before mass and during the liturgy of the word to accommodate this requirement. Their confession is at best dubious due to their suspension from ministry.
 
Yes, I think the above sort of points to it.

Do they only offer communion in one kind?
 
They do not reject the authority of the pope. They reject the less than binding teachings of the Second Vatican Council. No new doctrine was declared binding at Vatican II, however several previous disciplines were loosened.

They ran afoul of the canon law by unlawfully ordaining several bishops without a papal mandate. Their founder thought there was a crisis, and that important church traditions would be lost. Whether this premise is true or not, with no mandate, the newly ordained bishops were excommunicated, and the rest of the membership were suspended for disobedience. They defied lawful authority, rather than rejected it.

It is a subtle difference. The organization is not guilty of any heresy, as they reject no established doctrine. I’m sure the organization itself is disgusted by sedevanctists.
Perhaps I’m a fool, but if they believe that the current Pope is the lawful Pope, how can they reject the considerations of Vatican II?

And if Vatican II did not push forward anything binding, then why would they petition to renounce it? If they reject Vatican II, then doesn’t that mean that the Pope who presided over the Council is an Anti-Pope, because he presumably allowed un-Catholic elements to spread into the Church? Wouldn’t that make them in effect, sedevacantists?

Could you clarify a little for me, please?
 
Perhaps I’m a fool, but if they believe that the current Pope is the lawful Pope, how can they reject the considerations of Vatican II?

And if Vatican II did not push forward anything binding, then why would they petition to renounce it? If they reject Vatican II, then doesn’t that mean that the Pope who presided over the Council is an Anti-Pope, because he presumably allowed un-Catholic elements to spread into the Church? Wouldn’t that make them in effect, sedevacantists?

Could you clarify a little for me, please?
Your points simply do not logically follow. The SSPX were punished for disobedience, not heresy.

Not every statement issued by a council is equally binding. The SSPX in part make this mistake when interpreting Vatican II. Vatican II issued many new laws that superseded many temporal laws issued by previous councils. The SSPX were troubled by this wholesale change, and sought to preserve traditional Catholicism in the wake of changes they did not understand.

Had they not insubordinately ordained several bishops without a papal mandate, they may have been allowed to proceed indefinitely, learning to accept the legitimate changes proposed by Vatican II at their own pace. However, failing to do so the first time, they must now learn before they are admitted back into active ministry.

The lack of heresy on their part may explain the great patience displayed by the previous pope when working with them.
 
Your points simply do not logically follow. The SSPX were punished for disobedience, not heresy.

Not every statement issued by a council is equally binding. The SSPX in part make this mistake when interpreting Vatican II. Vatican II issued many new laws that superseded many temporal laws issued by previous councils. The SSPX were troubled by this wholesale change, and sought to preserve traditional Catholicism in the wake of changes they did not understand.

Had they not insubordinately ordained several bishops without a papal mandate, they may have been allowed to proceed indefinitely, learning to accept the legitimate changes proposed by Vatican II at their own pace. However, failing to do so the first time, they must now learn before they are admitted back into active ministry.

The lack of heresy on their part may explain the great patience displayed by the previous pope when working with them.
By lack of heresy, of course, you mean lack of divergence from the Council of Trent.

Interesting to note that SSPX believe there to have been a departure from Trent to Vatican II. A belief which is common inside the tent and outside it, and which some receive rather warmly. Historical revisionism and the ‘hermeneutic of continuity’ attempted to undo this, though.
 
Not every statement issued by a council is equally binding. The SSPX in part make this mistake when interpreting Vatican II. Vatican II issued many new laws that superseded many temporal laws issued by previous councils. The SSPX were troubled by this wholesale change, and sought to preserve traditional Catholicism in the wake of changes they did not understand.
Ave Maria runningdude!

I think it is unfair to accuse the SSPX here of making the mistake in not understanding that not every statement is equally binding. In fact, the SSPX are constantly begging for some clarification on what is or isn’t binding from the documents of Vatican II - not so much now but certainly in the 70’s and 80’s. Rather, at least during that period, it was some of the higher-ups dealing with their situation that refused to acknowledge that VII wasn’t some kind of superdogma as (then) Cardinal Ratzinger once mention.

It’s not that they didn’t understand the changes in themselves. It’s that they saw the danger that was coming and couldn’t understand why they were the only ones to see it. Dare we say that in seeing these dangers they were wrong? I don’t think we can. Reading some of the stuff from the early days and one can see just how right they were regarding a few things. I think Pope Benedict agreed both as Pope and Cardinal that they were right to be alarmed. Archbishop Lefebvre absolutely loved the faith. He saw some of the madness. He saw what ambiguous statements can do. But he also accepted many of the statements - it is important to remember that. He actually thought some documents in some places were excellent - and we must say that this is true.

During the early days, and to some extent now, I don’t think it’s the SSPX that doesn’t understand the council in some areas. I think it’s the opposite. I remember reading a letter the Archbishop sent to PP Paul VI saying something like - “regarding seminary formation, liturgy and sacraments I seem to be the only bishop in the world actually obeying the council on this point, so how can you accuse me of not obeying?” There is some truth in that protest even now.

Their situation has changed since the consecrations. I don’t think that was excusable. I also don’t think it’s excusable that they continue in their situation - even having the cheek to build more seminaries and set up more chapels and pretend to have supplied jurisdiction when the FSSP are a few blocks away from their Church. But the history of it is complicated and fascinating.
Had they not insubordinately ordained several bishops without a papal mandate, they may have been allowed to proceed indefinitely
Historically speaking this is not true. Already in the late 70’s they were under immense pressure because of their adherence to traditional liturgy and doctrine. The consecrations in 88 were the outcome of years of turmoil for the Society and for the Archbishop personally. They were treated as outcast heretics. Pariahs. The Archbishop got scared and decided to do something silly. But by that time it almost didn’t matter since they were already, in some sense, in the same situation. It probably just sped-up the proccess a bit, but by the time 88 came around they weren’t going to stick around waiting to get hammered when the Archbishop died. What he did was wrong but one can understand his thinking.
The lack of heresy on their part may explain the great patience displayed by the previous pope when working with them.
I agree they aren’t manifest and bad-willed heretics in the same way as, say, Luther was. But in practice at the very least they deny the declarations of Vatican I regarding papal authority and supremacy as well as the necessity of being allied with Peter no matter what. It doesn’t make them heretics (only the Church can judge that) but they don’t have a clean sheet despite their protestations that they do. There are other ways of being a heretic than denying dogma outright. I forget what they are though, but I think Ludwig Ott outlines them somewhere in his book. They are also, I believe, in some specific instances, in schism - it depends on the priest and the local superior. Setting up seminaries outside of Econe was also naughty and schismatic. But I reiterate that as a whole they aren’t schismatics (all in my opinion since the Church hasn’t declared it outright) - only in certain locations where they behave as if the FSSP Masses one block away are strictly not to be attended because the FSSP are in league with “New Rome Modernists” or what have you.

Anyway, just my thoughts but I am an idiot and not as educated on these matters as I pretend to be so please don’t take me too seriously!

God Bless +
 
Your points simply do not logically follow. The SSPX were punished for disobedience, not heresy.

Not every statement issued by a council is equally binding. The SSPX in part make this mistake when interpreting Vatican II. Vatican II issued many new laws that superseded many temporal laws issued by previous councils. The SSPX were troubled by this wholesale change, and sought to preserve traditional Catholicism in the wake of changes they did not understand.

Had they not insubordinately ordained several bishops without a papal mandate, they may have been allowed to proceed indefinitely, learning to accept the legitimate changes proposed by Vatican II at their own pace. However, failing to do so the first time, they must now learn before they are admitted back into active ministry.

The lack of heresy on their part may explain the great patience displayed by the previous pope when working with them.
So in other words, they simply did not want any changes and accept them, in reference to new laws,etc,etc.
 
So hold on, have they not denied the Bishop of Rome’s ordinary magisterial authority by not adhering to his rules? To me they just sound like Old Catholics in denial.
 
So hold on, have they not denied the Bishop of Rome’s ordinary magisterial authority by not adhering to his rules? To me they just sound like Old Catholics in denial.
Disobedience is not denial. They were disciplined for disobedience, and now the discipline has been partially lifted, as the goal of punishment is to correct the offending behavior.

Old Catholics, at least the founders, are guilty of heresy, rejecting the dogma of papal infallibility solemnly declared at the First Vatican Council.

No dogma was declared (or changed) at the Second Vatican Council. Simple fact.
 
Ave Maria runningdude!


Anyway, just my thoughts but I am an idiot and not as educated on these matters as I pretend to be so please don’t take me too seriously!

God Bless +
I think you did cover some of the subtleties I missed. My main point is that they do not deny any doctrine, particularly papal doctrine. I’ve read that they have committed schismatic acts; but not formal schism, which is a again an act of disobedience.
 
Disobedience is not denial. They were disciplined for disobedience, and now the discipline has been partially lifted, as the goal of punishment is to correct the offending behavior.

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If disobedience of papal authority is not denial of it, it is certainly rejection of it - a refusal to submit to it.
I am wondering how the SSPX can say they accept the dogma of papal infallibility, believe the pope holds the power of the keys, the right to rule as head of the Catholic Church, … and then think that they do not have to be obedient to it. Seems to that is worse than if they did not believe the dogma of papal infallibility.
The following Scripture passages come to mind.
John 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, We see,’ your guilt remains.

John 15:20-24 … A servant is not greater than his master.’ … if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. 15:21 … If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. … If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father.

So sad.
 
If disobedience of papal authority is not denial of it, it is certainly rejection of it - a refusal to submit to it.
I am wondering how the SSPX can say they accept the dogma of papal infallibility, believe the pope holds the power of the keys, the right to rule as head of the Catholic Church, … and then think that they do not have to be obedient to it. Seems to that is worse than if they did not believe the dogma of papal infallibility.
The following Scripture passages come to mind.


So sad.
Now you may be starting to see the complexity of the situation; the society is uncertain as to what must be obeyed. The previous pope extended an olive branch, by offering an interpretation of difficult points the SSPX raised regarding Vatican II. The pope allowed the SSPX to ask for more clarification, which it has asked for several times. This is where things have stalled.

Since the excommunication was lifted, neither pope has issued an ultimatum to accept the interpretation or face further discipline. The SSPX remains suspended, possibly with a tacit agreement to continue to function privately. The unauthorized ordinations were clear examples of insubordination, for which the SSPX were swiftly punished. There have been no new clearly defiant acts since the excommunications were lifted.

The church laws regarding religious societies or institutions are immensely complex; however, when the law is unclear, the benefit of the doubt always goes to the accused.
 
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