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Chris_McAvoy
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I find that in the 1930’s benedictine rite (as far as I know the extraordinary form benedictine rite still used now included here) we have on the calendar for July 26 both the feast of SS Joachim and Anne and also a commemoration for St Anne on the same day. And St Joachim has a separate feast around…oh August 18th.
I wonder if anyone can tell me the origin for this?
We have both hymns for Joachim and Anne and also specifically for St Anne only, both written around the 13th to 15th centuries.
Apparently both feasts coexisted on either the same calendar or different calendars by location?
Does anyone know what to make of this?
I have a suspicion that SS Joachim and Anne feast originated somewhere in France at a later date and that St Anne’s feast for example was the only feast for this day in the Salisbury, England rite. St Anne’s feast is almost certainly the older feast, within the western church as I only see it as the sole feast around the 11th century.
I know that there was a removal of the St Anne and Joachim as separate feasts sometime circa 1970 for the ordinary secular calendar. Some have expressed before that this was an unnecessary innovation, but to me this appears more as supporting one local usage over another. Creating a more concise calendar.
I find that both feasts have excellent/beautiful hymns and propers which overlap profoundly, therefore I have no preference for either feast.
I celebrated it as the feast of Sts Joachim and Anne, but I did mix in a prolix responsory and hymn ment specifically for Anne in addition to the rest.
Further clarification is welcome.
I wonder if anyone can tell me the origin for this?
We have both hymns for Joachim and Anne and also specifically for St Anne only, both written around the 13th to 15th centuries.
Apparently both feasts coexisted on either the same calendar or different calendars by location?
Does anyone know what to make of this?
I have a suspicion that SS Joachim and Anne feast originated somewhere in France at a later date and that St Anne’s feast for example was the only feast for this day in the Salisbury, England rite. St Anne’s feast is almost certainly the older feast, within the western church as I only see it as the sole feast around the 11th century.
I know that there was a removal of the St Anne and Joachim as separate feasts sometime circa 1970 for the ordinary secular calendar. Some have expressed before that this was an unnecessary innovation, but to me this appears more as supporting one local usage over another. Creating a more concise calendar.
I find that both feasts have excellent/beautiful hymns and propers which overlap profoundly, therefore I have no preference for either feast.
I celebrated it as the feast of Sts Joachim and Anne, but I did mix in a prolix responsory and hymn ment specifically for Anne in addition to the rest.
Further clarification is welcome.