St. Augustine's teaching on predestination

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I was elsewhere and it was mentioned that the Church has not accepted all of St. Augustine’s teaching on predestination which made me wonder: what of St. Augustine’s teaching on predestination has the Church not accepted? Any thoughts or comments?

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strugglingalong said:
I was elsewhere and it was mentioned that the Church has not accepted all of St. Augustine’s teaching on predestination which made me wonder: what of St. Augustine’s teaching on predestination has the Church not accepted? Any thoughts or comments?

Pax Christi tecum.
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Got me! 🤷
 
This may be a good place to quote this for discussion. This passage of Genesis is confusing. God knew before he made man that man would fail, that he would become evil. Yet He says that he was sorry that he had made man and it “grieved Him”. Why would God regret making something when He already knew the outcome.?

Genesis 6;5-7 "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
[So the LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
 
Some how I don’t think that is a direct quote of what God said, but rather an anthropomorphic projection by the writer on to God.
 
Our_Refuge said:
This may be a good place to quote this for discussion. This passage of Genesis is confusing. God knew before he made man that man would fail, that he would become evil. Yet He says that he was sorry that he had made man and it “grieved Him”. Why would God regret making something when He already knew the outcome.?

Genesis 6;5-7 "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
[So the LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
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The Lord added, “For it repenteth Me that I have made them” - Genesis 6:7. The indignation of God is not like ours, which clouds the mind, and drives us into excesses; His wrath is a judgment perfectly just and tranquil, by which God punishes and repairs the disorders of sin. But to make us understand the intensity of His hatred for the sin of impurity, He represents Himself as if sorry for having created man, who offended Him so grievously by this vice.
Saint Alphonsus Liguori, On the vice of Impurity
catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/vice/impurity.htm
 
gferrer said:
The book at this link by Father William Most addresses this issue in tremendous detail:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getwork.cfm?worknum=214
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Thank you! I’ll look over it.

It just seems like many orthodox Catholics disregard St. Augustine’s teaching as if he taught what would become double predestination or as if the Church didn’t officially accept most of it. I don’t get it. Predestination is de fide part of the faith (see Ott).

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