Thanks, Brian. It don’t think this quote contradicts St. Catherine’s other quotes in the least because this quote has to do with a private error of the pope (i.e. the pope not doing anything to discipline his wayward priests) with a public teaching (not talked of in the above quote). Do you see the difference? It’s more about comparing apples to oranges than misuderstanding.
Now this is silly. Sacrilege happens because the sinful sin. People seem to be forgetting that the same people who might toss the Host in the air are receiving unworthily just by thinking about doing it. These same people would still come forward for Communion if we were only allowed to receive on the tongue and would still be committing a sacrilege by receving unworthily. Communion on the tongue won’t stop irreverence and a lack of respect. It will keep people from playing volleyball with the Host and it will keep some (and I don’t say all from personal experience) from stealing it for diabolical purposes. It won’t keep people from receiving unworthily because doing this isn’t always a public, obvious sacrilege. It is still a sacrilege though.
Sorry LT, while I’m still a Communion on the tongue advocate, I’ve seen a few hosts dropped of the tongue and I’ve never seen fragments of the Host dropped and trod on by those receving in the hand. Now, I would have questions about Hosts being stolen and I would have worries about people receiving unworthily but I don’t think an argument can be made for fragments being dropped on the scale of Hosts that fall off the tongue. I don’t know what eveyone else has in there diocese but we don’t have crumbly Hosts in my local.
The use of a paten will take care of the problem of hosts dropping off a tongue. If in the rare instance a host is dropped on the floor, it is far easier to see and retrieve than a fragment. You say you don’t have “crumbly hosts.” I don’t think you are aware of how many fragments are lost from apparently “uncrumbly” hosts. These are fragments that you won’t see, they are tiny. But even the smallest fragment contains Our Lord, as you know.
I confirm that, Bear.
I think the fragments are just too small for others to see. I used to receive in the hand, until I noticed that my hand always had tiny particles of the Host left on it after Communion. When I found myself inspecting my palm after every Communion, and licking the particles from my palm to be sure those particles didn’t fall on the floor and get stepped on, I made the decision to start receiving Communion on the tongue.
That’s actually not Cathoic teaching. Microscopic particles no longer contain Our Lord.
If you can’t see it, Our Lord is no longer there.
I’m still waiting for an answer to this:
I’m sorry, Jean. Can you give us the link?
If you can’t see it, yes. If you bothered to look at the link provided, you will know that the test that was performed proved a sizable quantity of visible fragments were dropped.
Eucharist on the tongue. It deals with the pros and cons of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue or in the hand.
It’s a simple question. Where’s the answer? Again, are you saying that Church is teaching something contrary to Truth?!
Rubbish.
I don’t push for anything. I’m content to be among the governed. I do reject the implication that approved ecclesiastical discipline of the Church can be harmful or dangerous to the faithful, as that proposition was already condemned by Pius VI.
This does seem rather silly. I mean, are we to say that there are abuses when people receive on tongue therefor receiving on the tongue is evil? Disciplines have a negative infallibility attached to them pure and simple. This is Church teaching and I’m still trying to see why so many spend so much time trying to dance around this. It also seems rather sad that people spend so much time taking several straightforward quotes and interpreting when they are, well, not in need of interpretation. I’ve seen this done with St. Catherine quotes. I’ve seen it done with Pastor Aeternus, etc. I believe it is called rationalization.
This does seem rather silly. I mean, are we to say that there are abuses when people receive on tongue therefor receiving on the tongue is evil? Disciplines have a negative infallibility attached to them pure and simple. This is Church teaching and I’m still trying to see why so many spend so much time trying to dance around this. It also seems rather sad that people spend so much time taking several straightforward quotes and interpreting when they are, well, not in need of interpretation. I’ve seen this done with St. Catherine quotes. I’ve seen it done with Pastor Aeternus, etc. I believe it is called rationalization.
Back to the topic. There is no source for the original quote. It was made up probably to try and discredit the several authentic quotes. If one is going to think that the Pope is teaching something contrary to the Faith then I’m afraid there is very little that anyone here can do but pray and fast for them.