St. Christopher a Saint?

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MY daughter came home from school today (catholic) and said a teacher told her that he is no longer a saint, that his sainthood was removed because there was not enough evidence, as it turns out, for him to be a saint. What of this?

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I believe he still counts as a pious myth, like St George, but there is no known historical St Christopher.
 
Does this call into question of canonization and papal infalliability on these matters if St. Christopher is not a saint?

I’ve also heard that St. Philomena was thought to be a myth as well.
 
St. Christopher is still a Saint. All that happened is that he was removed from the Universal calendar. People are still allowed to locally celebrate his feast day.

This does not change his status as a Saint.

Saints were removed from the calendar for numerous reasons, one of which was that they weren’t sure about the historical nature of some of them.

Here is a quote from an EWTN priest about the issue.
“St. Christopher is still listed in the Roman Martyrology (2004 revision) as a martyr of Lycia with a feast day of July 25th. However, in the 1960s he was removed from the General Calendar as part of the overall revision of the calendar after Vatican II, because of the legendary and unproven nature of the history regarding him. His continued listing in the martyrology represents the Church’s confidence that he did exist and died a martyr, while being relunctant to affirm as certainly true the legend about him carrying the Christ child across a river. Catholics may certainly piously believe this story, so often represented on medals of the saint.”
Papal infallability isn’t an issue here because he was declared a Saint during a time when a Papal directive wasn’t required to be declared a Saint.
 
St. Christopher is still a Saint. All that happened is that he was removed from the Universal calendar. People are still allowed to locally celebrate his feast day.

This does not change his status as a Saint.

Saints were removed from the calendar for numerous reasons, one of which was that they weren’t sure about the historical nature of some of them.

Here is a quote from an EWTN priest about the issue.

Papal infallability isn’t an issue here because he was declared a Saint during a time when a Papal directive wasn’t required to be declared a Saint.
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Does this call into question of canonization and papal infalliability on these matters if St. Christopher is not a saint?

I’ve also heard that St. Philomena was thought to be a myth as well.
Just removed from the litergical calandar. Somebody forgot to inform the place where her relics are kept, because miracles still keep happening there. I myself wear her cord around my waist.
 
Does this call into question of canonization and papal infalliability on these matters if St. Christopher is not a saint?

I’ve also heard that St. Philomena was thought to be a myth as well.
No - St Christopher was not formally canonised by a Pope in the way saints are these days, rather simply declared a saint by public acclaim, which is how it was done in those days. So no question of Papal infallibility.
 
Here is an answer for that question from This Rock magazines Quick Answers department March 1997:
St. Christopher is still a saint. What happened in the 1960s was that the Church revised its universal calendar, the schedule of celebrations that are observed by the worldwide Church. Some saints’ days were removed, others added. This did not mean that those removed were no longer saints—only that the Church no longer celebrated their feast days everywhere. Individual communities and Catholics are still free to honor these saints and choose them as patrons. In fact, only a tiny percentage of canonized or recognized saints appear in the universal calendar. Many saints of religious orders are honored only within that order, for example.
You can be proud to have a powerful patron, intercessor, and namesake in St. Christopher. We know little about him historically—only that he died about A.D. 251—but that is also true of many early martyrs. We know they are in heaven, nonetheless.
Other posters have noted that Christopher was elevated to sainthood by popular acclaim so Infallibility is not an issue.
 
I noticed some of the discussion here about Saint Philomena and there is a lot of confusion about Saint Philomena, mostly generated by wrong information originally published in the early 1900’s in the Catholic Encyclopedia about Saint Philomena.

Her liturgical feast was removed in 1961. No official reason was given, but the assumption that has been printed that the reason was because nothing is known about Saint Philomena historically. However, the name on her tiles sealing her loculus (tomb) was Filumena. The Italians popularly refer to her as Filomena, the English, Philomena and the French, Philomène.

Regardless of “her story” revealed to Sr. Luisa di Gesu in August of 1833, revelations which received approval by the Holy Office, (presently the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) on December 21, 1833.

The Catholic Encyclopedia wishes to ignore that fact, as they do many other more significant facts. They base their opinion principally on the questionable conclusions of one early twentieth century archeologist, Oracio Marucchi. In 1903, he posited that the apparent mis-ordering of the 3 tiles on the grave alleged to be Philomena’s—starting with “Lumena” on first tile, instead of “Paxte”—proved that the tiles had come from another, earlier, grave and had been re-used in hers. Therefore, he argued, the grave and remains discovered in 1802 were not that of “Filumena” but of another, unknown person.

Marucchi’s theory that the order of Philomena’s tiles argued against the grave being hers was shown to be groundless. Furthermore, the tiles used on Philomena’s grave date at least from the third century, precluding them from being those of an earlier second-century grave, as Marucchi alleged. The early Christians did not re-use brick tiles, only marble, because marble was very expensive and brick was not, and those of Philomena’s are of brick.

Two more contemporary archeologists, Prandi and Mustillo, after examining the actual tiles in 1963 also stated that the stance of Marucchi had no foundation. The evidence rested not only on tile position but on tile condition. The two archeologists pointed out that had the tiles been removed from another grave in order to be re-used for Philomena’s, damage would have been done to the outer edges of the tile where previously cemented. However, no damage was found on the tiles from St. Philomena’s loculus: “During the process of going from first to second usage, chips would have very likely been made to the edges of the brick tiles… [These tiles of Philomena] still have sound and undamaged matching edges along the line of fracture.”

Marucchi had never examined the gravesite nor the tiles themselves, but rather had made an abstract hypothesis without the necessary archeological investigation. Contemporary Austrian historian, George Markhof, strongly criticized Marucchi’s conclusions: “I hold the judgment of the Italian archeologist Marucchi to be superficial… something extremely surprising considering the excellent renown he enjoyed. Evidently he was prejudiced against Saint Philomena, and not disposed, as is suitable for a scientist, to investigate the merits of this affair in an objective manner.”

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I wonder what could have driven Marruchi to make such an unbelievable claim against a saint without regard for the fact he would have to answer for it on judgement day? and with so many honors too? “Orazio Marucchi (1852 - January 1931, Rome) was an Italian archaeologist and author of the Manual of Christian Archaeology. He served as Professor of Christian Archaeology at the University of Rome and director of the Christian and Egyptian museums at the Vatican Museums. He was also a member of the Pontifical Commission of Sacred Archaeology and was a scrittore of the Vatican Library.” – Wikipedia
philomena.us/saint-2/history-devotion-2/present-ecclesial-status-of-devotion-to-saint-philomena/
 
I wonder what could have driven Marruchi to make such an unbelievable claim against a saint without regard for the fact he would have to answer for it on judgement day? and with so many honors too? “Orazio Marucchi (1852 - January 1931, Rome) was an Italian archaeologist and author of the Manual of Christian Archaeology. He served as Professor of Christian Archaeology at the University of Rome and director of the Christian and Egyptian museums at the Vatican Museums. He was also a member of the Pontifical Commission of Sacred Archaeology and was a scrittore of the Vatican Library.” – Wikipedia
philomena.us/saint-2/history-devotion-2/present-ecclesial-status-of-devotion-to-saint-philomena/
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