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I have long been a fan of St Faustina but lately after reading her diary I am getting confused.

I keep asking myself, is this really Jesus talking to her? Are these really his words?

I keep dodging prayers directly to Jesus now too. Changing the word Jesus for ‘God’ in my prayers! Lots of prayers I used to say just to Jesus I now bypass and say direct to God. It’s as if I shouldn’t be praying ‘to’ Jesus!

I don’t say the Divine Mercy Chaplet anymore. I hardly say the rosary anymore! I prefer to pray the psalms or to God as ‘God’ without saying Jesus. It’s as if a massive weight is telling me to worship God only, even though we are taught of the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. My mind is being persuaded to turn to God as an individual.

I read this link today and surprisingly it made sense! But I have my doubts too:

jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/faustina.htm

I know that you will all shout me down etc but I just wanted to debate this. To see if and where I am going wrong or do I have a valid point in what I am doing of late?

I love God dearly, with all my heart and soul. I cannot live without him. I pray for guidance on this matter too. I see things in the church that make me think about what is going on and some I don’t like. Some of the teachings etc.

If this is posted in the wrong section I apologise.
 
No need to be concerned.
Both the rosary and the divine mercy chaplet are private devotions. No one is compelled to say them (unless they are part of a community however, whose constitution requires it)

Praying the Psalms is a great thing! That is what the Divine Office (before called the Liturgy of the Hours) is all about and that is the official prayer of the Church, second only to the Mass. All priests and deacons are required to pray the Divine Office

www.Divineoffice.org is a great way of praying it. I do it daily
 
ajecphotos said:
I have long been a fan of St Faustina but lately after reading her diary I am getting confused.

I keep asking myself, is this really Jesus talking to her? Are these really his words?

I keep dodging prayers directly to Jesus now too. Changing the word Jesus for ‘God’ in my prayers! Lots of prayers I used to say just to Jesus I now bypass and say direct to God. It’s as if I shouldn’t be praying ‘to’ Jesus!

I don’t say the Divine Mercy Chaplet anymore. I hardly say the rosary anymore! I prefer to pray the psalms or to God as ‘God’ without saying Jesus. It’s as if a massive weight is telling me to worship God only, even though we are taught of the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. My mind is being persuaded to turn to God as an individual.

I read this link today and surprisingly it made sense! But I have my doubts too:

jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/faustina.htm

I know that you will all shout me down etc but I just wanted to debate this. To see if and where I am going wrong or do I have a valid point in what I am doing of late?

I love God dearly, with all my heart and soul. I cannot live without him. I pray for guidance on this matter too. I see things in the church that make me think about what is going on and some I don’t like. Some of the teachings etc.

If this is posted in the wrong section I apologise.
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That site is not a good site. If you read more of it you have to discount part of scripture to get to his conclusions.
 
That’s a well known Catholic bashing site. Avoid it like the plague.

Why do you feel that you shouldn’t pray to Jesus?
 
It is best to pray in the way that works for you. If you are struggling with Divine Mercy and Rosary, then do what works at this time. The Psalms are great.

I encourage you to stay away from rabid anti-Catholic sites.

St. Faustina is intense. If she is confusing you, then there is no need to dwell on her writings. I have found many times with writings of the saints that I would try to read something that everyone recommended and be confused or it just didn’t capture my attention. Then I come back several months or even years later and suddenly it all makes sense. I have concluded that I wasn’t ready the first time around. Perhaps that is what you are experiencing with St. Faustina.

Much of what Faustina says won’t make a lot of sense unless you have a very clear understanding of what our Lord Jesus said in the gospels. Perhaps it would be good for you to spend some time focusing on study of the gospels for a while.

Another poster asked why you didn’t want to pray to Jesus. That would be helpful information for us to understand.

In the meantime, I wanted to share the below passage from John 14. This is our Lord Jesus speaking to the disciples…

14 “Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going; how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him.”

It is important for us to focus some of our prayer life on Jesus as he leads us to God.
 
ajecphotos said:
I have long been a fan of St Faustina but lately after reading her diary I am getting confused.

I keep asking myself, is this really Jesus talking to her? Are these really his words?

I keep dodging prayers directly to Jesus now too. Changing the word Jesus for ‘God’ in my prayers! Lots of prayers I used to say just to Jesus I now bypass and say direct to God. It’s as if I shouldn’t be praying ‘to’ Jesus!

I don’t say the Divine Mercy Chaplet anymore. I hardly say the rosary anymore! I prefer to pray the psalms or to God as ‘God’ without saying Jesus. It’s as if a massive weight is telling me to worship God only, even though we are taught of the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. My mind is being persuaded to turn to God as an individual.

I read this link today and surprisingly it made sense! But I have my doubts too:

jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/faustina.htm

I know that you will all shout me down etc but I just wanted to debate this. To see if and where I am going wrong or do I have a valid point in what I am doing of late?

I love God dearly, with all my heart and soul. I cannot live without him. I pray for guidance on this matter too. I see things in the church that make me think about what is going on and some I don’t like. Some of the teachings etc.

If this is posted in the wrong section I apologise.
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Depending on how far you are into the diary St Faustina explains that Jesus will, she uses the phase give, but I like to say reveal, himself to a soul to a degree and then be totally gone for a time and then return only to learn **he was there **all along but not perceptible to them. Its how he works with souls. St Faustina also experienced a lot of dryness in faith when she had difficulty praying and many doubts. She relied on Holy Obedience a lot to steady herself. Something thats not that easy these days. Anyway, at Jesus’ request she left us her diary and the Image of Divine Mercy 🙂
 
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ajecphotos said:
I have long been a fan of St Faustina but lately after reading her diary I am getting confused.

I keep asking myself, is this really Jesus talking to her? Are these really his words?

I keep dodging prayers directly to Jesus now too. Changing the word Jesus for ‘God’ in my prayers! Lots of prayers I used to say just to Jesus I now bypass and say direct to God. It’s as if I shouldn’t be praying ‘to’ Jesus!

I don’t say the Divine Mercy Chaplet anymore. I hardly say the rosary anymore! I prefer to pray the psalms or to God as ‘God’ without saying Jesus. It’s as if a massive weight is telling me to worship God only, even though we are taught of the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. My mind is being persuaded to turn to God as an individual.

I read this link today and surprisingly it made sense! But I have my doubts too:

jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/faustina.htm

I know that you will all shout me down etc but I just wanted to debate this. To see if and where I am going wrong or do I have a valid point in what I am doing of late?

I love God dearly, with all my heart and soul. I cannot live without him. I pray for guidance on this matter too. I see things in the church that make me think about what is going on and some I don’t like. Some of the teachings etc.

If this is posted in the wrong section I apologise.
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That site is full of twisted reasoning in order to demonize the Church. Pay no attention to it.
 
Thanks for help.

Reason i am having doubts about praying directly to Jesus is that i read so much that we should pray direct to ‘God’ as some say that Jesus was a messenger of God, a prophet and as such he shouldnt be worshipped!

I feel so lost about it all! So confused.

I know that site is aweful. Just some things on it make one think.

Also, i cant get my head around that Jesus spoke to St Faustina. How do we know that she didnt made it all up?

I have read the NT once and have now started reading it again with my Study version.

I am supposed to be going to visit St Faustinas shrine next year but something is telling me not to. I feel as though i should concentrate on God the father only. To pray just to him. To steer away from the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Roasry!
 
I don’t know what sites you were looking at, but if they were anything like the one you posted, they are designed to mess with your mind.

The Father is the First Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Jesus is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the Third Person. When the Incarnation took place He took on humanity like ours. Jesus is truly God and truly man. He is God in the flesh who came to suffer and die for us, showing us the way.

St. Faustina suffered a lot in her prayer life. She was consoled when the Lord spoke to her, and when He withdrew his presence she felt alone and had to go on faith. Her spiritual directors helped her through this. People make things up when there is something in it for them…like a con man. She was the Lord’s “secretary” all for love of Him.
 
ajecphotos said:
I have long been a fan of St Faustina but lately after reading her diary I am getting confused.

I keep asking myself, is this really Jesus talking to her? Are these really his words?

I keep dodging prayers directly to Jesus now too. Changing the word Jesus for ‘God’ in my prayers! Lots of prayers I used to say just to Jesus I now bypass and say direct to God. It’s as if I shouldn’t be praying ‘to’ Jesus!

I don’t say the Divine Mercy Chaplet anymore. I hardly say the rosary anymore! I prefer to pray the psalms or to God as ‘God’ without saying Jesus. It’s as if a massive weight is telling me to worship God only, even though we are taught of the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. My mind is being persuaded to turn to God as an individual.

I read this link today and surprisingly it made sense! But I have my doubts too:

jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/faustina.htm

I know that you will all shout me down etc but I just wanted to debate this. To see if and where I am going wrong or do I have a valid point in what I am doing of late?

I love God dearly, with all my heart and soul. I cannot live without him. I pray for guidance on this matter too. I see things in the church that make me think about what is going on and some I don’t like. Some of the teachings etc.

If this is posted in the wrong section I apologise.
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There was a time around the 8th century when a group complained about pictures and icons as being objects of worship. It was called the iconoclastic heresy. The church at that time went thru the same objections and the church said that icons and pictures help us to keep our focus and are good things to keep in our churches.

This is ancient history that has already been settled.
 
ajecphotos said:
Thanks for help.

Reason i am having doubts about praying directly to Jesus is that i read so much that we should pray direct to ‘God’ as some say that Jesus was a messenger of God, a prophet and as such he shouldnt be worshipped!

I feel so lost about it all! So confused.

I know that site is aweful. Just some things on it make one think.

Also, i cant get my head around that Jesus spoke to St Faustina. How do we know that she didnt made it all up?

I have read the NT once and have now started reading it again with my Study version.

I am supposed to be going to visit St Faustinas shrine next year but something is telling me not to. I feel as though i should concentrate on God the father only. To pray just to him. To steer away from the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Roasry!
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Do you have a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If not, it’s available online, free:
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

I really think it would do you good to spend some time studying it, instead of anti-Catholic websites.
 
Reason i am having doubts about praying directly to Jesus is that i read so much that we should pray direct to ‘God’ as some say that Jesus was a messenger of God, a prophet and as such he shouldnt be worshipped!
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If they are saying Jesus was a prophet, then they aren’t Christian sites. Please avoid them. They are trying to lead you away from our Lord.
Also, i cant get my head around that Jesus spoke to St Faustina. How do we know that she didnt made it all up?
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I don’t know that we can be “sure”. But, the Church reviewed her writings and determined they are consistent with the Bible and what the Church teaches. This is a good sign. And, there are documented miracles of her intercession, also studied extensively by the Church, which is another good sign. I trust the Church as I trust my Mother. So, for these reasons, I believe the revelations to St. Faustina were true.
I have read the NT once and have now started reading it again with my Study version.
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Keep up the good work! You might want to inquire if there is a Bible Study at your parish so you can discuss your questions/worries with others.
I am supposed to be going to visit St Faustinas shrine next year but something is telling me not to. I feel as though i should concentrate on God the father only. To pray just to him. To steer away from the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Roasry!
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I would discuss this with a priest.

The LORD bless you and keep you! The LORD let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you! The LORD look upon you kindly and give you peace! Amen
 
ajecphotos said:
Thanks for help.

Reason i am having doubts about praying directly to Jesus is that i read so much that we should pray direct to ‘God’ as some say that Jesus was a messenger of God, a prophet and as such he shouldnt be worshipped!

I feel so lost about it all! So confused.

I know that site is aweful. Just some things on it make one think.

Also, i cant get my head around that Jesus spoke to St Faustina. How do we know that she didnt made it all up?

I have read the NT once and have now started reading it again with my Study version.

I am supposed to be going to visit St Faustinas shrine next year but something is telling me not to. I feel as though i should concentrate on God the father only. To pray just to him. To steer away from the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Roasry!
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First, that website is not only anti-Catholic, it is also from bizarre world–did you read all that stuff about pyramids, etc? :hypno: Second, as a Catholic, you are **not **required to believe in personal revelations. Third, about St. Faustina making this stuff up: Faustina only had a couple of years of education. That she was able to write anything as well as she did, is definitely a God-given grace. That she was able to illume mysteries of the Catholic faith as she did is almost miraculous. Go to the shrine. Tell St. Faustina your problems. She will help you understand.
 
I am asking God for guidance. I really need his help here.

Thanks to everyone who has replied and written some good words.

It’s not just that website but what I have been thinking about for quite some time. I have not been to any other website. Just niggles in my mind. Doubts etc.

I hear so much about catholic tradition and keep asking myself what if they are wrong? What if the tradition as we know it is wrong? I know that Jesus has said that the Holy Spirit will always be with his church but I still am confused about it all.

As I said before, I dearly love God!

It doesn’t help that we have a priest in our parish that is awful to go to mass to and is so unapproachable in every single way! He has upset so many people in every parish he has been in! I can’t ask him anything! I do know a couple of more priests but I think that if I discuss with them then they are only going to be able to give me advice through the ‘catholic’ teaching. I know this is the right way but I also think that it may be a blinkered way.
 
ajecphotos said:
It’s not just that website but what I have been thinking about for quite some time. I have not been to any other website. Just niggles in my mind. Doubts etc.

I hear so much about catholic tradition and keep asking myself what if they are wrong? What if the tradition as we know it is wrong? I know that Jesus has said that the Holy Spirit will always be with his church but I still am confused about it all.

It doesn’t help that we have a priest in our parish that is awful to go to mass to and is so unapproachable in every single way! He has upset so many people in every parish he has been in! I can’t ask him anything! I do know a couple of more priests but I think that if I discuss with them then they are only going to be able to give me advice through the ‘catholic’ teaching. I know this is the right way but I also think that it may be a blinkered way.
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It seems like you are having some very serious doubts. I haven’t been in your particular situation (i.e. doubting Tradition), but I have had very serious doubts about Jesus Christ and the goodness of God that kept me out of the church for 25 years. The devil does that to us – plants seeds of doubts in our mind so we think things like this: God doesn’t love us, Jesus was crazy, the people in the Church are fakes, the Church is evil. I had all of those doubts. And it kept me away from the love of our Lord Jesus and the Church.

I was told to pray for Faith. That is a gift and our Lord wants to give it to you. I encourage you to do that.

I am sorry about your priest and that you feel you can’t speak with him. If it were me, I would mention these doubts in confession and ask for guidance. This seems quite serious. I would encourage you to go to another parish if you don’t feel comfortable with your own priest. Whoever you speak to, please be totally open about these worries.

God bless you.
 
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