St. Fransisco Franco?

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I wodner if the Holy See woudl ever consider canonizing Fransisco Franco?

Though he gets much flack, he did help keep Spain from being taken over by godless socialists. He defended the Cahtolic faith and allowed it to flourish in splendour from 1939-1975.

His rule also made possible the Opus Dei of St. JoseMaria Escriva.

I know there were some questionable human rights stuff, but it was a “different time” as they say. Any thoughts?
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I wodner if the Holy See woudl ever consider canonizing Fransisco Franco?

Though he gets much flack, he did help keep Spain from being taken over by godless socialists. He defended the Cahtolic faith and allowed it to flourish in splendour from 1939-1975.

His rule also made possible the Opus Dei of St. JoseMaria Escriva.

I know there were some questionable human rights stuff, but it was a “different time” as they say. Any thoughts?
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HabemusFrancis said:
I wodner if the Holy See woudl ever consider canonizing Fransisco Franco?

Though he gets much flack, he did help keep Spain from being taken over by godless socialists. He defended the Cahtolic faith and allowed it to flourish in splendour from 1939-1975.

His rule also made possible the Opus Dei of St. JoseMaria Escriva.

I know there were some questionable human rights stuff, but it was a “different time” as they say. Any thoughts?
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Franco fought to defend the Church in many ways, but canonization is based on holiness of life, which is a very different thing. Any sort of hint of human rights abuse would tend practically serve as an automatic disqualification for any person. Franco might have had good ends in mind, but he didn’t always use good means to achieve those ends.

Anyway, the answer is no. Franco would never be considered for canonization. Queen Isabella of Spain, on the otherhand, is someone who might be seriously considered at some point.
 
Also in his favor is the fact that he refused to join the European war on Hitler’s side – much to Hitler’s disgust. One favorable point, against so many negatives.
 
I view his political leadership more positively than not, but no, I don’t think that merits canonization.
 
Absolutely not. The way some on these boards treat the words of saints, I think it would be terribly confusing for everybody.

“Saint Fracisco Franco said that fascisim is a good thing! He’s a saint, we should listen to him!”

“Except that that’s the oppisite of what the Church teaches.”

“Well, why would they make him a Saint, then? Don’t dismiss the opinions of saints so easily!”

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Not a good idea. If we’re going to give such weight to the opinions of saints, we’d better pick them carefully.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I wodner if the Holy See woudl ever consider canonizing Fransisco Franco?

Though he gets much flack, he did help keep Spain from being taken over by godless socialists. He defended the Cahtolic faith and allowed it to flourish in splendour from 1939-1975.

His rule also made possible the Opus Dei of St. JoseMaria Escriva.

I know there were some questionable human rights stuff, but it was a “different time” as they say. Any thoughts?
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Franco was a good man who saved the Church in Spain from the Communists, but he was no St. Edward.
Kamaduck said:
Saint Fracisco Franco said that fascisim is a good thing
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Franco was not a fascist, that was a myth spread by leftist propagandists. Rather, his government was more along the lines of the traditional Right.
 
Yes, I believe General Franco should be considered for canonization.

The armies of Franco were the armies of Christ:
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The armies which Franco opposed and destroyed were the armies of Satan.

He was a great and holy man.
 
devoutchristian said:
Franco was a good man who saved the Church in Spain from the Communists, but he was no St. Edward.

Franco was not a fascist, that was a myth spread by leftist propagandists. Rather, his government was more along the lines of the traditional Right.
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Francoist said:
Yes, I believe General Franco should be considered for canonization.

The armies of Franco were the armies of Christ:

The armies which Franco opposed and destroyed were the armies of Satan.

He was a great and holy man.
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Franco was a right wing bully-boy with a penchant for violence.

The armies of Christ would not rape, abduct, commit mass murder, bury the bodies secretly in mass graves and steal up to 300,000 babies.

A great and holy man would not allow Nazi and Fascist troops to practice blitzkrieg tactics on one’s own citizens.

A great and holy man would not allow the execution of 14 priests.
 
triumphguy said:
The armies of Christ would not rape, abduct, commit mass murder, bury the bodies secretly in mass graves and steal up to 300,000 babies.

A great and holy man would not allow Nazi and Fascist troops to practice blitzkrieg tactics on one’s own citizens.

A great and holy man would not allow the execution of 14 priests.
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Since all that only happened in the fever dreams of Communist university professors, there’s no reason to worry about it.

People say history is written by the victors. This is untrue. History is written by professional writers of history. Since I have occasion to associate with them, I am not astonished that they can be as ignorant, misinformed and malicious as the members of any other profession.

Even the etymologies in dictionaries are subject to dispute and the people who write them often choose one side or another because of political, personal or professional reasons.

General Franco was a good and holy man. But he was a soldier of Cristo Rey. Communists, Marxists, Socialists, Leftists and their fellow travelers are the sworn and professed enemies of Jesus Christ, and they will do anything in their power, and say anything, to tear down not only Jesus Christ and the Church, but those who fought against their Satanic comrades in the past.
 
Francoist said:
Since all that only happened in the fever dreams of Communist university professors, there’s no reason to worry about it.

People say history is written by the victors. This is untrue. History is written by professional writers of history. Since I have occasion to associate with them, I am not astonished that they can be as ignorant, misinformed and malicious as the members of any other profession.

Even the etymologies in dictionaries are subject to dispute and the people who write them often choose one side or another because of political, personal or professional reasons.

General Franco was a good and holy man. But he was a soldier of Cristo Rey. Communists, Marxists, Socialists, Leftists and their fellow travelers are the sworn and professed enemies of Jesus Christ, and they will do anything in their power, and say anything, to tear down not only Jesus Christ and the Church, but those who fought against their Satanic comrades in the past.
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Except the graves exist. And the children who were abducted. And the women who were raped.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I wodner if the Holy See woudl ever consider canonizing Fransisco Franco?..
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it might be better to dig him up and put his carcass on trial as a war criminal.

he’d be unique among saints as being the only one who ran concentration camps, executed POWs, shot Catholic priests, murdered thousands, whose regime routinely raped, kidnapped and shut down political dissent.

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Fairwinds said:
it might be better to dig him up and put his carcass on trial as a war criminal.
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That would be a mortal sin.
Fairwinds said:
he’d be unique among saints as being the only one who ran concentration camps, executed POWs, shot Catholic priests, murdered thousands, whose regime routinely raped, kidnapped and shut down political dissent.
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He didn’t kill Catholic priests or commit rape.
 
DaveBj said:
Also in his favor is the fact that he refused to join the European war on Hitler’s side – much to Hitler’s disgust. One favorable point, against so many negatives.
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much to his discredit are the “volunteers” (Blue Division, Spanish Legion) he “allowed” to fight for hitler.
 
triumphguy said:
So you don’t believe in the adage: The buck stops here.

Franco had a history of violent repression.
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I don’t believe that a man should be held personally responsible for every little thing that happens in his country.
 
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