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Monica4316
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what do you think?
Congratulations!I was Confirmed last year, and i took the name âGemmaâ in honour of her.
Here is another website dedicated to this youthful saint: stgemma.com/
Yes, she guides me in my schooling as well as helping me understand more deeply in the Passion of Christ.
People did try to study her when she was alive and it was a trial to her. She also reported that their curiosity was displeasing to God.A rather curious individual. If a girl like that actually existed in this new century, Iâd be persuaded to take a minor in psychology and (I hope nobody finds this disrespectful) âstudyâ her. I cannot help but be the doubting Thomas that I am when it came to reading the biographies of her written by other people. Its not something to be proud of but hey, I canât help it. I really have a hard time believing a person like that existed.
By âstudyâ you mean an objective psychological study and perhaps even a scientific analysis of her stigmata (among other things) that can be consulted even today? The Church is supposed to investigate these things in such a manner (especially during an important a process as canonization). Surely such a type of âcuriosityâ is understandable. This goes especially in an increasingly skeptical world.People did try to study her when she was alive and it was a trial to her. She also reported that their curiosity was displeasing to God.
Iâm afraid you might be comparing apples with oranges. Proving the existence of God does not necessarily require empirical evidence (as shown by the many philosophical debates that continue to rage even till today). Furthermore, God is not so easily bound by laws of science, physics, and conventional psychology. On the other hand, the emotional intensity and supernatural events that surround this holy but otherwise human saint (such as having visions and stigmata) can put heavy burdens of proof that are very strictly defined.I guess one way to look at it is, if we really believe that the God of our faith is real and all-powerful and intimately involved in human history as the Church teaches that He is, why is it difficult to believe that there might be a person like Gemma?
For such a person to exist in any time period is an incredible miracle.That⌠and the fact that while it may have been possible for a person like Gemma to have existed around the 19th century, looking at our world today makes me think that finding another one like her again would be a miracle in of itself.
You missed my point. A saint such as Gemma is a miracle of God. Since I believe in the God of the Bible and the Catholic Church - a God who is perfectly capable of working miracles when He chooses - I do not find it difficult to believe that He could give the world someone like Gemma with so many supernatural graces.Iâm afraid you might be comparing apples with oranges. Proving the existence of God does not necessarily require empirical evidence (as shown by the many philosophical debates that continue to rage even till today). Furthermore, God is not so easily bound by laws of science, physics, and conventional psychology. On the other hand, the emotional intensity and supernatural events that surround this holy but otherwise human saint (such as having visions and stigmata) can put heavy burdens of proof that are very strictly defined.
The flaw in this reasoning is that God is an omnipotent being and St. Gemma is still human. I mean for instance, when you make the claim that God created the universe, one need not produce a lot of scientific study. Philosophical arguments can already be sufficient. On the other hand, when you make the claim that a person is having visions and is suffering from injuries that were neither self-inflicted or natural, the burden of proof is more defined.You missed my point. A saint such as Gemma is a miracle of God. Since I believe in the God of the Bible and the Catholic Church - a God who is perfectly capable of working miracles when He chooses - I do not find it difficult to believe that He could give the world someone like Gemma with so many supernatural graces.
Aaaand here is where Iâm having trouble with you here. What exactly was displeasing about their motives? Surely Christ, despite Thomasâ doubts still allowed the man to see for himself the injuries He had suffered on the cross. You need to be careful with this type of thinking. Anybody can twist it and make it as if you donât want people to know something or worse, that God Himself may have had something to hide.As for investigation, you are correct that it is good to investigate such things - to distinguish the real from the false - but my understanding was that God was (according to Gemma) displeased with the motives of some of the physicians who tried to investigate, for example, her stigmata.
Thanks for this info. Iâll give Mazzoniâs book a look. However, are there any more recent books similar to this one? As I said before, I am simply just curious. I donât see the harm in a bit of healthy skepticism.As the webmaster of the website devoted to St Gemma Galgani at www.stgemmagalgani.com perhaps I can pass along a little of information regarding the psychological and medical studies pertaining to St Gemma,
Firstly, it must be remembered that Gemma was a modern Saintâshe died only 107 years ago in 1903, and she was the first person to live in the 20th century to be canonised by the Catholic Church. She was canonised in 1940, only 70 years ago, and her mystical life, writings, virtues and spiritual devotion were intensively studied by relatively modern principles of theology, medicine and psychology. The investigation into her holy life began in 1909, with the Vatican investigation beginning in 1922, and culminated with her canonisation in 1940.
Recently, Professor Rudolph M. Bell of Rutgers University and Christina Mazzoni, a professor at the University of Vermont have published an book entitled "The Voices of Gemma Galgani- The Life and Afterlife of a Modern Saint." which studies the life of St Gemma, including commentaries from both a medical and psychological perspective.
In a canonization process, yes, you want evidence. The Church always requires a lot of evidence while moving through a canonization process. And they got it for Gemma.The flaw in this reasoning is that God is an omnipotent being and St. Gemma is still human. I mean for instance, when you make the claim that God created the universe, one need not produce a lot of scientific study. Philosophical arguments can already be sufficient. On the other hand, when you make the claim that a person is having visions and is suffering from injuries that were neither self-inflicted or natural, the burden of proof is more defined.
Yes, but sometimes when people have asked Jesus for a sign, He has said no. For instance, once, the Pharisees approached Him, asking for a sign, and He gave them no sign âexcept the sign of Jonah,â a sign they would become aware of on Easter, but not before. And another time, we read of a town where He performed very few miracles because of the lack of faith in the place.Aaaand here is where Iâm having trouble with you here. What exactly was displeasing about their motives? Surely Christ, despite Thomasâ doubts still allowed the man to see for himself the injuries He had suffered on the cross.
God does have some things to hide, but that shouldnât be seen in a negative light. He reveals more and more of His light over the course of history, bit by bit as individuals and cultures become more capable of receiving it properly. He prepared the way for Christ for millennia among the Jews through the revelation of the covenants, the laws and prophets.You need to be careful with this type of thinking. Anybody can twist it and make it as if you donât want people to know something or worse, that God Himself may have had something to hide.