St George and the Dragon

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I was intrigued by a photo of a pickled baby dragon which was a hoax.
Which brings me to the question!
If Dragons aren’t real or ever existed, why do we have a saint that boasts ,he killed , slayed a dragon?
Was it to scare people to believe there was a dragon and move them closer to God?
Is it a myth? and if so , why is Saint George a Saint?
Surely he should not be a saint if it was a myth!
Can anyone enlighten me?

Here is the link…
smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/28/1075088090949.html
:confused::eek:
 
St. George was the inspiration for my Confermation name for several reasons. Little is actually known about him. The dragon is a simbol of evil, sometimes of the devil himself. That is what is ment by the dragon in the story of St. Geroge.

Kinda fully though, that is in the Occendintal way of thinking, in the Orential way of thought the dragon is a symbol of hevan. Go figure 😃
 
St. Columba

Columba is also the source of the first known reference to the Loch Ness Monster. According to the story, in 565 he came across a group of Picts who were burying a man killed by the monster, and brought the man back to life.

St. Kevin

Also known as Coaimhghin, Coemgen or Keivin (meaning “fair-begotten”, kind or handsome), Saint Kevin was born around 498 AD at the Fort of the White Fountain, near Dublin into a family of Leinster nobility. Raised a Christian, he was taught by Saint Petroc from an early age (some say seven). He grew up with monks, living in a local monastery from age 12 and subsequently studying for the priesthood in Killnamanagh before being ordained by Lugidus. Following his ordination, the pious young man set out to devote himself to a life dedicated to God.

He soon found himself in Glendalough, a beautiful valley about 25 miles (40 km) south of Dublin, and settled to the life of a hermit in the remains of a Bronze Age habitation, eating only that which grew naturally in the area, notably nuts, nettles and other herbs. However, the peaceful life he sought was soon disturbed by a number of followers who had heard the tales of a holy man living in the ruins. There were soon enough people to warrant the founding of a monastery, and a town quickly grew up around it, with regular pilgrimages made there.

It was his habit to stand in the lake to pray, arms stretched out to the heavens. It is said that one day, a blackbird began to build a nest in one of his hands, and when he realised, he stood stock-still until the nest was finished, the eggs hatched and the young blackbirds able to fend for themselves. This story has led to his being depicted with a bird in his hand, and he is known as a patron saint of birds, and blackbirds in particular.

There was a monster living in one of the lakes. This creature began to prey on the congregation which had grown up around about, which caused some consternation, and many voices were raised in favour of killing the beast.
Kevin, being a lover of animals, would not hear of it, and entreated the monster to move to the lower of the two lakes. Once there, the monster lived by eating the sicknesses that were washed from the animals driven through the lakes by locals.

…cont.
 
Saint Senan
(c. 488-544)

Life of St. Senan, Bishop, Patron Saint of West Clare by Fr. Senan Hedderman
The Coming of Christianity to Clare and the evolution of the Diocese of Killaloe and Kilfenora

St. Senan was born in Corca Bhaisin, County Clare about 488. It seems that Senan’s family had two farms, one at Moylough and the other at a place called Tracht Termainn. His story originates in the dim past when paganism gradually gave way to christianity. There are no reliable records to validate his birth or death or activities.

He placed himself under the Abbot Cassidan and took the monastic habit. Cassidan was originally from South-west Cork. Senan then went to the Monastery of Kilmanagh (Ossory) to continue his preparations for the religious life. There he was credited with the performance of many miracles. He is next heard of having established a church at Enniscorthy. The Book of Lismore states that Senan went to Rome and from there to Tours, which was at that time, the great monastic establishment in West Europe. Returning to Ireland, St. Senan established a church and monastery at Inniscarra, in Cork. He then moved back to his native district. He began his work on the islands of the Fergus. He crossed to Mutton Island, then to Bishop’s Island, south of Kilkee. Finally, about 534, he established himself at Scattery, the low green island about a mile off the coast from Kilrush.

Before Senan arrived on Scattery, also called Inis Cathaig, a legendary monster called “The Cathach” inhabited the island and terrorised people who were afraid to approach the island. Sometimes referred to as the “peist” or sea-serpent, the Cathach was depicted on a carving in the old chapel of Kilrush as the “Cata”. On his arrival in the island the Angel Raphael led Senan to the highest hill from which he was able to locate the Cathach. He then faced the monster and ordered it, in the name of the Trinity, to depart from the island. In some stories the Cathach obeyed immediately and “neither stopped nor stayed” until he reached the dark waters of Doolough Lake at the foot of Mount Callan.

The Pagan Legends of that time;

LUGH AND THE SECOND BATTLE OF THE MAG TUIREADH

In this second battle, so central to Irish mythology, the Tuatha de Dannan struggled yet again for control of the land, this time against the fearsome forces of the Formorians. The Formorians are often depicted as one-legged, one-armed, ugly sea-monsters, and they were indeed malicious and grotesque.
The ruler of the Formorians was Balor, a repulsive Cyclops with an evil eye whose mere look would kill anyone who gazed upon him - a fate which befell Nuada, the Tuatha king. When Nuada died, the leadership fell to the celebrated Lugh.
Lugh, the Bright One, was a sun god lauded for his many talents. He was a craftsman, musician, poet, sorcerer, and warrior. He was also, it turned out, the grandson of the evil Formorian Balor. Before Lugh’s birth it had been prophesied that Balor would be killed by his grandson. Balor tried to get rid of Lugh, without success, however, because the sun god was protected by powerful magic.
After Nuada’s death, Lugh took it upon himself to slay the evil-eyed monster. As Balor was falling asleep, Lugh attacked him with a stone from an enchanted slingshot, shooting it with such force that it drove the monsters eye out of the back of his head, thus turning his evil gaze toward his own army. Balor was killed, and the Formorians returned to the sea. Lugh was given the title Lugh Lamfhada (Lugh of the Long Arm), and the summer harvest festival Lughnasa (August 1) is named in his honour.

When the first missionary Saint monks established monastaries in Ireland in the 400’s 500’s and later, they set about, with great joy, recording the old pagan stories from the locals. The stories date back to the Bronze Age and the Iron Age. The Monsters in the tales of the Irish Saints were generally though to be the pagan druids who were either driven out of an area, or their erroneous teachings were overcome, or slain, by the Saint.
No doubt, Monsters and Dragons had similar type meanings in other countries.
 
St. George was the inspiration for my Confermation name for several reasons. Little is actually known about him. The dragon is a simbol of evil, sometimes of the devil himself. That is what is ment by the dragon in the story of St. Geroge.

Kinda fully though, that is in the Occendintal way of thinking, in the Orential way of thought the dragon is a symbol of hevan. Go figure 😃
Good point,
I think it is in a way of a symbol.
But then we weren’t there, so I am thinking possibly they were in reference to a KOMODO dragon which still exists, though the fire could be in reference to the poisonous saliva that it has!:rolleyes:😉
 
I was intrigued by a photo of a pickled baby dragon which was a hoax.
Which brings me to the question!
If Dragons aren’t real or ever existed, why do we have a saint that boasts ,he killed , slayed a dragon?
Was it to scare people to believe there was a dragon and move them closer to God?
Is it a myth? and if so , why is Saint George a Saint?
Surely he should not be a saint if it was a myth!
Can anyone enlighten me?

Here is the link…
smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/28/1075088090949.html
:confused::eek:
A great many religions, including catholocism, have myths/stories/legends that are associated with them. This is one such story.
 
Saint Senan
(c. 488-544)

Life of St. Senan, Bishop, Patron Saint of West Clare by Fr. Senan Hedderman
The Coming of Christianity to Clare and the evolution of the Diocese of Killaloe and Kilfenora

St. Senan was born in Corca Bhaisin, County Clare about 488. It seems that Senan’s family had two farms, one at Moylough and the other at a place called Tracht Termainn. His story originates in the dim past when paganism gradually gave way to christianity. There are no reliable records to validate his birth or death or activities.

He placed himself under the Abbot Cassidan and took the monastic habit. Cassidan was originally from South-west Cork. Senan then went to the Monastery of Kilmanagh (Ossory) to continue his preparations for the religious life. There he was credited with the performance of many miracles. He is next heard of having established a church at Enniscorthy. The Book of Lismore states that Senan went to Rome and from there to Tours, which was at that time, the great monastic establishment in West Europe. Returning to Ireland, St. Senan established a church and monastery at Inniscarra, in Cork. He then moved back to his native district. He began his work on the islands of the Fergus. He crossed to Mutton Island, then to Bishop’s Island, south of Kilkee. Finally, about 534, he established himself at Scattery, the low green island about a mile off the coast from Kilrush.

Before Senan arrived on Scattery, also called Inis Cathaig, a legendary monster called “The Cathach” inhabited the island and terrorised people who were afraid to approach the island. Sometimes referred to as the “peist” or sea-serpent, the Cathach was depicted on a carving in the old chapel of Kilrush as the “Cata”. On his arrival in the island the Angel Raphael led Senan to the highest hill from which he was able to locate the Cathach. He then faced the monster and ordered it, in the name of the Trinity, to depart from the island. In some stories the Cathach obeyed immediately and “neither stopped nor stayed” until he reached the dark waters of Doolough Lake at the foot of Mount Callan.

The Pagan Legends of that time;

LUGH AND THE SECOND BATTLE OF THE MAG TUIREADH

In this second battle, so central to Irish mythology, the Tuatha de Dannan struggled yet again for control of the land, this time against the fearsome forces of the Formorians. The Formorians are often depicted as one-legged, one-armed, ugly sea-monsters, and they were indeed malicious and grotesque.
The ruler of the Formorians was Balor, a repulsive Cyclops with an evil eye whose mere look would kill anyone who gazed upon him - a fate which befell Nuada, the Tuatha king. When Nuada died, the leadership fell to the celebrated Lugh.
Lugh, the Bright One, was a sun god lauded for his many talents. He was a craftsman, musician, poet, sorcerer, and warrior. He was also, it turned out, the grandson of the evil Formorian Balor. Before Lugh’s birth it had been prophesied that Balor would be killed by his grandson. Balor tried to get rid of Lugh, without success, however, because the sun god was protected by powerful magic.
After Nuada’s death, Lugh took it upon himself to slay the evil-eyed monster. As Balor was falling asleep, Lugh attacked him with a stone from an enchanted slingshot, shooting it with such force that it drove the monsters eye out of the back of his head, thus turning his evil gaze toward his own army. Balor was killed, and the Formorians returned to the sea. Lugh was given the title Lugh Lamfhada (Lugh of the Long Arm), and the summer harvest festival Lughnasa (August 1) is named in his honour.

When the first missionary Saint monks established monastaries in Ireland in the 400’s 500’s and later, they set about, with great joy, recording the old pagan stories from the locals. The stories date back to the Bronze Age and the Iron Age. The Monsters in the tales of the Irish Saints were generally though to be the pagan druids who were either driven out of an area, or their erroneous teachings were overcome, or slain, by the Saint.
No doubt, Monsters and Dragons had similar type meanings in other countries.
Wow , Interesting!
I will post more myths about:thumbsup: other religions…
 
A great many religions, including catholocism, have myths/stories/legends that are associated with them. This is one such story.
You are so correct, like this one from a jewish myth!
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So in my continuing effort to explore Talmudic esoteric masters, I now want to call attention to Rabbi Aha (or Acha) ben Jacob (Yaakov), a 4th Century Babylonian born Amora who later settled in the Land of Israel.

In a famous extended discussion of Job, Aha expounded on the nature of ha-Satan, the adversary, explaining that both “Satan and Peninah have a pious function [in their roles as adversaries/antagonists]” This insight on the divine necessity of spiritual obstacles inspired Satan to appear before Aha in person and kiss his feet (it must be tough to be so misunderstood) (Baba Batra 16a). But Aha was no coddler of evil:

"…Jacob the son of R’ Aha bar Jacob: his father sent him to Abaye [to attend Abaye’s house of study]. When he [Jacob] returned, he [R. Aha] saw that his lessons weren’t sharp. He said to him, “I take priority to you; you return [home] so I can go [study]”. (faced with limited resources, the most capable student is should study - perhaps too Aha wanted to see what was wrong). Abaye heard that he was coming. There was a sheid in Abaye’s Rabbinical academy, such that when they [students] entered in pairs, even during the day, they would be hurt. He [Abaye] said to them [his community], “Let no person offer him lodgings [forcing him to stay at the academy]. Perhaps a miracle will occur [because of Aha’s merit].” He [R. Aha] entered and slept in the academy. It appeared to him as a seven-headed serpent. Every time he prostrated himself [prayed], another head fell off. In the morning he said to them, “Had a miracle not occured, you would have endangered me. (Kiddushin 29b)”

A strange story, for sure. Reminds me a little of Beowulf, where the hero delivers his benefactor from a night-terror that has penetrated into his innermost abode. Most modern interpretations see this as an allegory, that the hydra-like dragon was some kind of educational or interpersonal dysfunction in the institution that Aha resolves through his healing piety. I like that mythic take on how evil can worm its way into a sacred institution, but I also think it was understood on a more factual level. The motif of the seven-headed monster is transcultural. And while infrequent, there are other Talmudic tales of haunting spirits which a sage exorcises by various means. Like in the tales of Rabbi Joshua ben Levi, there is an element of chutzpah and tricksterism to the behavior of Abaye. Why didn’t he just tell Aha and ask for his help? It is something of a test for our hero, perhaps to make him an example for Abaye’s students, but its a rationale that Aha doesn’t much appreciate at the time.

Aha’s end is also a cautionary tale of the dangers of the Evil Eye (See the earlier entry Reading the Bible with an Occult Eye). According to Baba Batra 14a, he made a Torah scroll so perfect in form and dimensions that his colleagues were overwhelmed with envy, causing his death. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
This dragon is identified as ‘that serpent of old that led the whole world astray, whose name is Satan or the Devil’.

This identification was also picked up in Islam. There is an Islamic myth about the garden of Eden and the serpent. It seems that Paradise, or Eden, was guarded by a peacock who was very wise and kept Satan out. Satan, in this myth called Iblis, wanted to get into paradise to get revenge on Adam, because it was Adam’s being placed first which resulted in Satan being expelled in the first place. The peacock was too wise. So Satan (Iblis) had the serpent carry him back into paradise hidden in his mouth.

But, with the exception of Wadd, a pre-Islamic moon god of the Minaean tribe and state of Southern Arabia, in Islam there was little room for myth. Some of the old Arabian legends were retained, but the basic philosophy was anthropomorphic monotheism. :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
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