St Ignatius, born 35 AD believed in the Real Presence, why do Protestants deny RP?

[Beyond_Reason]

I should clarify that teachings like that of the Real Presence and transubstantiation are very early. Not sure when it was officially described and declared as official doctrine.

 

[Justin_Mary]

I should clarify that teachings like that of the Real Presence and transubstantiation are very early. Not sure when it was officially described and declared as official doctrine.

I think it was extremely early, like when Paul told the Corinthians…

For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

 

[Beyond_Reason]

Again context here I think is illuminating.

18 For, to begin with, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you; and to some extent I believe it. 19 Indeed, there have to be factions among you, for only so will it become clear who among you are genuine. 20 When you come together, it is not really to eat the Lord’s supper. 21 For when the time comes to eat, each of you goes ahead with your own supper, and one goes hungry and another becomes drunk. 22 What! Do you not have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you show contempt for the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What should I say to you? Should I commend you? In this matter I do not commend you!

Paul is admonishing the church at Corinth for receiving the Eucharist with discord and strife, and in a disorganized manner.

23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

I think the key here is the remembrance of Him. Why remember him if he is literally physically there with you? I think the meaning is to always solemnly consider and remember Jesus’ sacrifice when receiving the Eucharist. It is a renewal of one’s dedication and faith. This conscious, focused act sustains faith, as food sustains the body, and faith is the key to eternal life and salvation.

27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves. 30 For this reason many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. 31 But if we judged ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.

So then, I interpret “discerning the body and blood” to mean receiving the Eucharist with solemnity, reverence and remembrance of Jesus’ sacrifice. For what is it that grants salvation: faith in Jesus and the power of his sacrifice or the physical consumption of transubstantiated bread? This speaks to a larger divide between Catholics and Protestants, where Catholics lay more emphasis on physical things imbued with spirituality, like holy water and transubstantiation, Protestants focus more on the human soul.

33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If you are hungry, eat at home, so that when you come together, it will not be for your condemnation.

Again, pointing to the importance of reverence as the proper way to receive the Eucharist.

 

[Norseman82]

How can non-Catholic Christians argue with the fathers of the Church? St. Ignatius of Antioch was born in 35 AD.

Not to mention John 6. It’s mind boggling to me.

If I post this image on my Facebook page with the year…pretend you’re a non catholic Christian…what would you think? I have tons of non Catholic Christian friends.

There are some protestants who believe that the early Church immediately fell into heresy and it wasn’t until the reformation when the true believers who preserved the true Bible (there may be some that argue that the true Bible was the King James version - actually the codices that the KJV were translated from) could come out from underground and explain what the Bible really meant.

 

[Gorgias]

I should clarify that teachings like that of the Real Presence and transubstantiation are very early. Not sure when it was officially described and declared as official doctrine.

Actually, transubstantiation doesn’t come around till much later. Remember that it’s not a description of what the Eucharist is, but only how it happens. There’s not much push for the description of ‘how?’ until the 13th-14th centuries (IIRC).