St. Joan of Arc?

[filios]

Hello, I was wondering who actually predicted the coming of the “Maid of Lorraine?” I know there were numerous prophesies about her but who were the people that the prophesies are attributed to?

 

[Timothysis]

I have never heard of prophesies about St. Joan but I do know that her title is the Maid of Orleans, not Lorraine.

 

[puzzleannie]

I never heard of any prophecies of her coming, and she is my confirmation saint and I have read a lot about her. Please provide your sources.

 

[Birdpreacher]

The English Christians she killed with her army never saw her coming

 

[Hesychios]

The English Christians she killed with her army never saw her coming

I guess I can agree with that.

They were, in fact, Roman Catholics from England and also a great many of them were actually French, fighting for their monarch (who happened to be the king of England).

She was remarkably successful in battle for a time.

I found this translation of her trial transcript. Sad.

 

[Hesychios]

Hello, I was wondering who actually predicted the coming of the “Maid of Lorraine?” I know there were numerous prophesies about her but who were the people that the prophesies are attributed to?

Like the others, I never heard of any prediction.

And I would not look for one.

 

[MontChevalier]

The English Christians she killed with her army never saw her coming

Well, according to some sources, Joan may not have killed anyone throughout the entire war. She might have just cheered on her troops. But again, other sources say different. However, I find it hard to picture St. Joan killing fellow Christians. Even if they were English.

-MontChevalier

 

[filios]

I find it surprising that many people haven’t heard of those prophesies. I don’t where I heard it the first time since I grew up with her story but there were prophesies about her. The “Maid of Lorraine” is also one of her titles though, it’s a region in France. I read that the prophesies may have been attributed to St. Bede the Venerable.

 

[HollyDolly]

:knight1: There may have been a few prophesies about her, but i don’t recall the origin of them.
As far as I know she did fight in the battles the french troops engaged against the english.
As far as it is hard to picture her killing fellow christians, don’t forget there were various saints in the Church like St.Louis,St.Ferdinand,and others who were rulers and whose countries were invovled in wars,and they led their troops into battle and undoubtly slew fellow catholics and others.like muslims in the Holy Land during the Crusades.

Just part of the business during that time period of being a king or queen.

 

[Birdpreacher]

Oh well if its just part of the business then I guess its just fine and dandy, we musn’t upset the Divine Rights Of Kings

 

[JM3]

maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_maid_of_france_contents.asp

From Chapter 2

Within half a league of Domremy, and visible, Jeanne said, from the door of her father’s house, was a forest called Oakwood, le Bois Chesnu % nemus quercosum. Now, according to Jean Brehal, Inquisitor, and one of the clerical legists who were judges in the Trial for the Rehabilitation of the Maid (1450-1456), the old name of the forest was Nemus Canutum {Bois Cienu)," whence grew," says Brehal, “an ancient popular rumour, that a Maid should be born in this place, who should do great deeds.” Brehal then quotes a prophecy of Merlin to the effect that " a marvellous Maid will come from the Nemus Canutum^ for the healing of nations." In the prophecies attributed to Merlin by Geoffrey of Monmouth (1140) there is talk of a Maid from the Nemus Canutum which had come, says Brehal, to be understood as referring to the Bois Chesnu. The vulgaris et antiqua precrebuit fama,–the echo of the supposed prophecies of Merlin won its way, like the predictions of Thomas the Rhymer, into folklore. The Nemus Canutum once identified with the Bois Chesnu on the marches of Loraine (really it was in Britain), a wonderful firgin wasxpe&ted to come from the marches of Loraine to rescue “France. The evolution of the idea is clearly traceable, thus : A generation before the time of Jeanne, a visionary from the south, naimed jvlarie dAvignon, visited Charles VI, then suffering under his ruinous” wife, Isabelle of Bavaria. Marie had dreamed a dream in^which she beheld arms and armour. She said that she could not use these, and was told that they were for a Maid who should restore France. This dream, known far and wide, was suggested by the Merlin prediction about a Maid from the Nemus Canutum ; that grove was recognised in the Bois Chesnu on the marches of LoraiiQe, and in that region, folklore averred that " a Maid who is to restore France, ruined by a woman, shall come from the marches 01 Loraine." Prophecies from all sorts of sources were always current in the Middle Ages. This folklore fable was to have a great effect on Jeanne’s career.

An interesting site.

maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_sitemap.asp

Saint Joan Of Arc’s Name

Her real name was Jehanne d’Arc. Joan of Arc is an English bastardization of her name that was never used while she was alive. She preferred to be called “Jehanne la Pucelle” or Joan the maid. At her trial Joan herself testified that: “In my town they called me Jeannette, and since I came into France I have been called Joan.”

Proper Pronunciation: Joan was French so Jehanne in English sounds most like Jan drawn out. To get a better sense of how it should sound pronounce Jeannette like Jan-et and drop the et to pronounce Jehanne. Her last name d’Arc sounds just like Dark in English.