St. John Cantius Parish -- Chicago

[adstrinity]

I think I’m going to go to the 1230 Extraordinary Mass tomorrow. I’ve been once before. I don’t suppose anybody from here goes there regularly or belongs to that parish? Anyway, I hope to go and be able to recieve the Eucharist, seeing as how they have Confession all morning. Hope to tell you how it goes.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

I think I’m going to go to the 1230 Extraordinary Mass tomorrow. I’ve been once before. I don’t suppose anybody from here goes there regularly or belongs to that parish? Anyway, I hope to go and be able to recieve the Eucharist, seeing as how they have Confession all morning. Hope to tell you how it goes.

I don’t got there regularly, but I have been about a dozen times. It is one of my favorite Churches.

 

[adstrinity]

1. Took less time and gas to get there than I thought it would. I plan to go there two more times this week because of this.
2. Thank God for Martin Luther, The Council of Trent, & Second Vatican Council. I now understand how Protestants can be weirded out about the Latin Mass and distort and misrepresent what actually happens and thank God that the Church responded early and often. Thank God that Second Vatican gave us a new way to do things in the vernacular. Thank God that I am very fortunate enough to have the very real choice and the very priveledged option to go to a Mass celebrated in Latin.
3. Because of…something or other, it was a Low Mass (two lit candles, couldn’t hear what was happening and as such, couldn’t follow along, but, that’s okay). Tridentine High Mass returns at that time in two weeks.
4. Parking may be a problem.
5. I have heard Traditionalists complain that in the vernacular Masses after VII complain that the Priest’s back is to the Lord and not so with Pre-'62 Masses. I had the chance to observe the Priest’s back to the congregation. Also, the NT reading AND the Gospel, AND the Homily were all said by the Priest…in English…with his back to the Lord.
6. Altar boys. ONLY boys. Hand over their heart when they have the paten. drool
7. Kneeling to recieve the Eucharist. I’m pretty sure the priest said, “The Body of Christ,” in Latin while making the sign of the cross. THE PRIEST gave me communion. At least, I’m pretty sure it was A priest. It wasn’t the presiding (and there was only one priest and four Altar boys) but, more men in black robes came to serve at this time.
8. Announcements were also in English.
9. I HOPE this was after the Mass, three Hail Mary’s were said, The Memorare, and The Prayer of St. Michael. That is not part of the Mass to the best of my knowledge, but, the Priest led us in those prayers. That unsettled me for a while so, it has occured to me – I don’t like that, but, there’s lots of things at other Masses at other churches I don’t like, and if this one is in full communion with Rome and part of the Chicago Archdiosese, and they are fully holy, then, I cannot nor will I go against the Church. Bells and whistles didn’t go off in my head when this happened but more of a, “Wait, why is everybody mumbling English all of a sudden?”
10. I was able to go to the Sacrement of Reconcilliation (confessionals on the sides of the church). “How to Make one’s Confession”: cantius.org/go/sacraments/category/penance_confession/
    I printed that out and read it. I was never taught that. Also, a priest was there to hear confessions, something that is not garunteed at another church to which I go…and, that is only for 25 minutes at most, meaning, people will get turned away. The priests here hear confessions before and during all the Masses. drool

I plan to go back Wednesday and Friday. Possibly even next Sunday.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

1. Took less time and gas to get there than I thought it would. I plan to go there two more times this week because of this.
2. I have heard Traditionalists complain that in the vernacular Masses after VII complain that the Priest’s back is to the Lord and not so with Pre-'62 Masses. I had the chance to observe the Priest’s back to the congregation. Also, the NT reading AND the Gospel, AND the Homily were all said by the Priest…in English…with his back to the Lord.

That was actually not part of the Mass. The sermon is an interruption of the Mass, rather than part of it. The Priest reads the Epistle and Gospel in Latin during the Mass, and the re-reads them for the congregation in English before giving the sermon.

1. ** I HOPE this was after the Mass, three Hail Mary’s were said, The Memorare, and The Prayer of St. Michael.** That is not part of the Mass to the best of my knowledge, but, the Priest led us in those prayers. That unsettled me for a while so, it has occured to me – I don’t like that, but, there’s lots of things at other Masses at other churches I don’t like, and if this one is in full communion with Rome and part of the Chicago Archdiosese, and they are fully holy, then, I cannot nor will I go against the Church.

Those are called the Leonine prayers and are said after the Mass ends. Leo XIII commanded that they be said after every low mass. They aren’t said after a High Mass.

I plan to go back Wednesday and Friday. Possibly even next Sunday.

I think you will enjoy the High Mass more at first. The low Mass is good, but only after you are familiar with it and able to follow along. The silence of the Low Mass provides a great time for meditations, but until you become familiar with the various parts of the Mass, you probably won’t be doing much meditating.

Thanks for giving us your thoughts. Please give us your thoughts after your first High Mass as well.

 

[adstrinity]

Well, I attended a High Mass at this church six or seven years ago, but, I was invited. I look forward to going back again after years of knowing more about Catholicism.

Thank you for responding to my post. This put things in perspective and was what I needed. Thank you!

 

[ProVobis]

Usually much more preparation is necessary for a High Mass. It’s beautiful if you can get it, especially in that Church, but I find the Low Mass (at 7:30am) to be satisfactory as well, especially when the weather is cooler outside. When they have those fans running, it’s hard to hear anything, but that’s true in most churches.

 

[JonW]

Hi folks! I have been attending Low and High Mass in Latin at St. John Cantius for a few months now. When I’m on schedule I go to Low Mass every morning. I hope to catch you at a Low or High Mass this week, adstrinity! Make sure to get there a little early so that you can pick up a red Missalette in the back of the Church and follow along with the Mass! If they are not visible (as sometimes happens before Low Mass in the morning), they are inside the cabinet immediately to the left of the center aisle facing away from the altar at the back, as you walk in. My first few masses I was unaware of these misallettes and just got a lot of meditating done. Since then a whole new world has opened up to me. I also like to go to LOTH every morning before Low Mass. They do the Office of Readings and then Morning Parayer. Perfect way to start the day.

Also, that was a priest giving the host, and the Hail Mary and St Michael are a regular part of the Low Mass. St. John Cantius is a great and true Catholic Parish.

God Bless

Jon Winterburn

 

[Lepanto]

What is the parking situation like?

Not enough space?

Is it secure/guarded?

 

[adstrinity]

The Parking Situation: Just not enough spaces, and I’m unsure where is safe to park. I don’t want to get towed for being unregistered or parking illegally. I was lucky this time.

I plan to be at the 7:30p Mass on Friday and I think there’s one on Wednesday as well (it says that on the site), but, I thought the priest announced Noon Mass on Wednesday.

And thanks for letting me know about the extra Misslettes! I remember having something to follow years ago…not that it really helped years ago…

 

[JonW]

Parking: You can park on a slant in front of the church. You can also park in the middle of the road by the church where all those other cars are parked. I always (almost) park on the street along the left of the church when you face the entrance, on the right side of the street. There is usually parking on that street as well. Should be plenty. Good luck and God Bless.

Jon

 

[adstrinity]

Tomorrow there will be a Tridentine Mass followed by Rosary Crusade Procession beginning at 7:30 p.m. Is anybody going to be there for that? Will I have to feed the meter if I cannot find parking elsewhere at that time tomorrow?

I am looking forward to this more than I look forward to Olympic coverage.

 

[catharina]

1. Took less time and gas to get there than I thought it would. I plan to go there two more times this week because of this.
2. Thank God for Martin Luther, The Council of Trent, & Second Vatican Council. I now understand how Protestants can be weirded out about the Latin Mass and distort and misrepresent what actually happens and thank God that the Church responded early and often. Thank God that Second Vatican gave us a new way to do things in the vernacular. Thank God that I am very fortunate enough to have the very real choice and the very priveledged option to go to a Mass celebrated in Latin.
3. Because of…something or other, it was a Low Mass (two lit candles, couldn’t hear what was happening and as such, couldn’t follow along, but, that’s okay). Tridentine High Mass returns at that time in two weeks.
4. Parking may be a problem.
5. I have heard Traditionalists complain that in the vernacular Masses after VII complain that the Priest’s back is to the Lord and not so with Pre-'62 Masses. I had the chance to observe the Priest’s back to the congregation. Also, the NT reading AND the Gospel, AND the Homily were all said by the Priest…in English…with his back to the Lord.
6. Altar boys. ONLY boys. Hand over their heart when they have the paten. drool
7. Kneeling to recieve the Eucharist. I’m pretty sure the priest said, “The Body of Christ,” in Latin while making the sign of the cross. THE PRIEST gave me communion. At least, I’m pretty sure it was A priest. It wasn’t the presiding (and there was only one priest and four Altar boys) but, more men in black robes came to serve at this time.
8. Announcements were also in English.
9. I HOPE this was after the Mass, three Hail Mary’s were said, The Memorare, and The Prayer of St. Michael. That is not part of the Mass to the best of my knowledge, but, the Priest led us in those prayers. That unsettled me for a while so, it has occured to me – I don’t like that, but, there’s lots of things at other Masses at other churches I don’t like, and if this one is in full communion with Rome and part of the Chicago Archdiosese, and they are fully holy, then, I cannot nor will I go against the Church. Bells and whistles didn’t go off in my head when this happened but more of a, “Wait, why is everybody mumbling English all of a sudden?”
10. I was able to go to the Sacrement of Reconcilliation (confessionals on the sides of the church). “How to Make one’s Confession”: cantius.org/go/sacraments/category/penance_confession/
    I printed that out and read it. I was never taught that. Also, a priest was there to hear confessions, something that is not garunteed at another church to which I go…and, that is only for 25 minutes at most, meaning, people will get turned away. The priests here hear confessions before and during all the Masses. drool

I plan to go back Wednesday and Friday. Possibly even next Sunday.

Thank God for Martin Luther? WHAT? Excuse me?

 

[BayernAnhaenger]

1. Thank God for Martin Luther, The Council of Trent, & Second Vatican Council. I now understand how Protestants can be weirded out about the Latin Mass and distort and misrepresent what actually happens and thank God that the Church responded early and often. Thank God that Second Vatican gave us a new way to do things in the vernacular. Thank God that I am very fortunate enough to have the very real choice and the very priveledged option to go to a Mass celebrated in Latin.

Except… Protestants nowadays still have no idea what the Church teaches. The Mass didn’t cause that misunderstanding. The Devil did. And, Martin Luther helped cast millions of souls into dangerous territory spiritually, due to his abandonment of the One True Faith.

 

[ProVobis]

Tomorrow there will be a Tridentine Mass followed by Rosary Crusade Procession beginning at 7:30 p.m. Is anybody going to be there for that? Will I have to feed the meter if I cannot find parking elsewhere at that time tomorrow?

I am looking forward to this more than I look forward to Olympic coverage.

Did they discontinue the St. Monica novena there on Wednesday nights? I don’t see any way out of feeding the meter if that’s what they have now.

 

[ProVobis]

Thank God that Second Vatican gave us a new way to do things in the vernacular.

Yes, but the vernacular can also be looked upon as a punishment from God, remembering what happened at the Towel of Babel.

 

[adstrinity]

Did they discontinue the St. Monica novena there on Wednesday nights? I don’t see any way out of feeding the meter if that’s what they have now.

I don’t know if they have discontinued the St. Monica novena there on Wednesday nights. They have a Triduum there the 25th - 27th, though. This Mass & Rosary Crusade is what they have in their calendar for tomorrow.

Yes, Martin Luther gave way to people saying that the Latin is antiquated and magic. The Church answered that right away and said no, very no. Vatican II permited Mass in the vernacular, and all these events led up to CAF, and me joining CAF. It’s akin to Adam sinning. Without it, better things could not have come along. Because of what I saw on Sunday, I was able to understand how antagonists against the Church have been able to misrepresent and use scare tactics against the Church, Her members, and their members.

 

[adstrinity]

Just read, they still do have the St. Monica Novena. AND, confessions are heard during this time!!!

cantius.org/go/liturgy_devotions/devotional_life/st_monicas_novena/

 

[adstrinity]

I was thinking about posting different threads for this, but, instead I’m going to treat this like a journal.

Before Mass, I was in line for confession. Another young lady joined me and this woman who was in a mantilla and asked if there is face-to-face confession. I told her I didn’t know. She also asked me, when I pointed out there were other lit confessionals, if they were in English (which, IS a fair question, I think, because there seemed to be a small amount of what appeared to be people of Phillipino descent and the Stations of the Cross are in Polish). I again told her that I didn’t know, but, maybe that woman does. I asked the woman if she was a part of this parish and she asks me, “Why do you want to know?” And I told her because this other young lady has a few questions and the young lady asked her if there is face-to-face confession? She said no, and that is (actually, I didn’t hear what she said here). She continued on to say that that was an abuse after Vatican II. “Why would you ask that question?” was her question to the young lady. I went off to another confessional, the young lady went back to sit with the party she was sitting with.

I later had the priviledge to speak to the woman to explain to her that not everybody knows these things. She said she understands, and she was caught offguard because she was going over in her head all her sins and talking with God, and, basically, for all she knew, I could have been a reporter. She went on to explain that face-to-face confessions shouldn’t happen, “They’re not doctors;” that it should remain anonymous and un-prejudiced.

She also told me that Vatican II took out 1/3 of the prayers from the Mass and that I should just go to the Latin Mass, if nothing else, for the prayers (I may have hinted that I’m not a fan of the Latin Mass, but, even if I go to the Novus Ordo Mass there, I know it wont be filled with abuses…or irreverance). It seems to me, so far, that the NO mass is better because we have new OT readings, NT readings, Psalm, and Gospel every week.

My two questions (so far) are:

1. Is it true face-to-face is an abuse? (The woman asked the lady for clarification to make sure it was for confession and not just spiritual direction.)
2. Why is it more of the same things every time at a Latin Mass (or am I not paying attention enough to the Mass to notice the differences?)

Thank you for all who reply!

 

[Sure]

I was thinking about posting different threads for this, but, instead I’m going to treat this like a journal.

Before Mass, I was in line for confession. Another young lady joined me and this woman who was in a mantilla and asked if there is face-to-face confession. I told her I didn’t know. She also asked me, when I pointed out there were other lit confessionals, if they were in English (which, IS a fair question, I think, because there seemed to be a small amount of what appeared to be people of Phillipino descent and the Stations of the Cross are in Polish). I again told her that I didn’t know, but, maybe that woman does. I asked the woman if she was a part of this parish and she asks me, “Why do you want to know?” And I told her because this other young lady has a few questions and the young lady asked her if there is face-to-face confession? She said no, and that is (actually, I didn’t hear what she said here). She continued on to say that that was an abuse after Vatican II. “Why would you ask that question?” was her question to the young lady. I went off to another confessional, the young lady went back to sit with the party she was sitting with.

I later had the priviledge to speak to the woman to explain to her that not everybody knows these things. She said she understands, and she was caught offguard because she was going over in her head all her sins and talking with God, and, basically, for all she knew, I could have been a reporter. She went on to explain that face-to-face confessions shouldn’t happen, “They’re not doctors;” that it should remain anonymous and un-prejudiced.

She also told me that Vatican II took out 1/3 of the prayers from the Mass and that I should just go to the Latin Mass, if nothing else, for the prayers (I may have hinted that I’m not a fan of the Latin Mass, but, even if I go to the Novus Ordo Mass there, I know it wont be filled with abuses…or irreverance). It seems to me, so far, that the NO mass is better because we have new OT readings, NT readings, Psalm, and Gospel every week.

My two questions (so far) are:

1. Is it true face-to-face is an abuse? (The woman asked the lady for clarification to make sure it was for confession and not just spiritual direction.)
2. Why is it more of the same things every time at a Latin Mass (or am I not paying attention enough to the Mass to notice the differences?)

Thank you for all who reply!

You ran into a traditionalist nut!

I think you should ask one of the priests at St. John Cantius the same questions. You will be interested to find that the woman is not in keeping with the spirit of the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius. Don’t worry, though, there are crackpots in every parish so don’t let her ruin your experience.

 

[adstrinity]

You ran into a traditionalist nut!

I think you should ask one of the priests at St. John Cantius the same questions. You will be interested to find that the woman is not in keeping with the spirit of the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius. Don’t worry, though, there are crackpots in every parish so don’t let her ruin your experience.

I think she prefers the TLM, but, she says that she does attend the NO, too. She looked like she was in her 50s, and her friend said that she wasn’t always submissive to the Church. But, thank you – I never thought of asking one of the priests this. (The priests there are in black robes all the time! It’s so…my mind flashes back to movies and shows I have seen about the Middle Ages. AND, I noticed that they are always carrying books…and there was a few of them in the church before confession (were they preparing?) It’s just…not what I am used to actually, PHYSICALLY presently seeing. And, the woman said that that woman just caught her at a bad time because she was preparing for confession. She admitted she could have been a little more diplomatic and told the woman to ask the priest.